Libyan representatives sought guarantees Col Muammar Gaddafi would not be pursued for war crimes if he stepped down during talks with US officials.
A US official was unequivocal in saying that the only message given to Col Gaddafi in the meeting was that he should stand down Photo: REUTERS
By Damien McElroy, Richard Spencer
6:27PM BST 19 Jul 2011
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Diplomats involved in contacts with Libyan officials said that Tripoli sought talks with Washington as part of a series of informal negotiations on Col Gaddafi's future.
But while French mediators last week insisted that Col Gaddafi must leave Libya, a move that would make him vulnerable to arrest and war crimes charges, American diplomats only insisted that the dictator give up power.
European diplomats said on Tuesday that America, which is not a member of the World Court, could formally put its weight behind a deal to scrap UN sanctions that authorised war crime charges. "There is open question here of an American role but the Americans have also been very clear that they delivered a message and not launch negotiations," a European diplomat said.
Libyan emissaries have held a series of meetings with Turkish, French and South African officials in previous weeks. Unnamed regime officials met senior American diplomats in Tunis on Saturday.
"There have been a number of indications that talks behind the scenes are going on and the feeling is that these centre on Gaddafi continuing to live in Libya or being allowed a dignified exile, probably somewhere in Africa," said Oliver Miles, a former British ambassador who has met Gaddafi loyalists in recent weeks.
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A US official was unequivocal in saying that the only message given to Col Gaddafi in the meeting was that he should stand down.
"This was not a negotiation. It was the delivery of a message," the official said.
The French defence minister yesterday said pressure on Col Gaddafi to seek a negotiated exit had risen but warned the Libyan leader could still hold out.
"The countdown has begun," said Gerard Longuet, the defence minister who last week called for immediate talks with Col Gaddafi. "I am cautious because Gaddafi is not rational and he could opt for a bunker strategy, taking the whole civilian population of Tripoli hostage."
"As panic takes over in the ranks around Gaddafi, we are seeing more and more emissaries of all types who are touring world capitals," he said. "When one of those comes within our range our message is always the same: Gaddafi must go."
Libyan rebels launched a full-scale attack on the oil town of Brega on Thursday, taking significant casualties as they fought through the streets on Saturday and Sunday.
They are also having to deal with extensive minefields and traps full of chemicals, they have said.
The Transitional National Council on Monday claimed that only a small pocket of 150-200 loyalist fighters were holding out.
The French foreign ministry backed the rebels' statement. "The Libyan resistance forces are in the process of controlling the totality of the city," the spokesman, Bernard Valero, said.
"It represents progress on the ground by the action of Libyan rebel forces. It would seem to confirm the retreat and isolation of Gaddafi and his forces."
The rebels have made no significant gains on the eastern front since March, and the loss of Brega would be a major blow for Col Gaddafi.
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Allen_Snyder
39 seconds agoRebel may make temporary gain with all sorts of support from Nato but the future of Libya belongs to Libyans. Col Gaddafi has proved to the world over the last few months that he is a truly worthy Libyan leader. He may make some mistakes in the past but his recent performance is astonishing. Nato now has lost all its legitimacy to side with rebels and it is high time for them to withdraw and leave Libya at earliest opportunity.
simon_coulter
9 minutes agoIs the accompanying image from Madame Tussaud's - or a still from some stage production of the Life of Gaddafi - the waxen visage could not be more heavily made up?
Have billions really been spent on a phoney air war so he can cut a deal and keep the billions he's plundered and not face any retribution for all those killed who have got in his way in more than 40 years?
Dunemaul
25 minutes agoNow the US has formally recognized the Free Libyan government as the only legitimate government of Libya, They can ask the US, and other countries for help, to finish the revolution.
The "no boots on ground" doctrine is silly and unhelpful. What is needed is a NATO ground force removing the remaining Gaddafi forces, so this can be over soon.
antony_rigby
29 minutes agoThere is no mention of 'phone tapping in this article.
kingsley
32 minutes ago
Story of Nato in libya:
A man Enters someones house on a pretext of stopping a fight holding a
gun, then he is caught red-handed trying to pocket ‘valuables’, when
asked, he claim it’s needed for 'finger print''
Now his debtor’s after him, he'd promised to pay back in days, with the thought: he'd rob that man, sell it, and pay it off. '
Now that's not goin to happen, he has to return it, and sadly pay his debtors. And the Gun he used was hired, he paid on credit
OUT WITH NATO!
LIBYA 4 LIBYANS
Yet Contrary to Pupular support -
who VOTED THE REBELS COUNCIL? No Libyan did! NOT EVEN THE
PEOPLE IN BENGHZI! = TRUTH!
Tripoli 1.3Million Libyans COMPLAININ youtube.com/watch?v=n38o2J07W3...
youtube.com/watch?v=6U7p9QwJZt...
Zlitan 16th july 2011youtube.com /watch?v=_Qf92ipV3-w&feature=related
500.000
Zawia 16th July 2011youtube.com /watch?v=F-h4os5uGwM&feature=related
1.2million
Adjelat 14th July 2011 youtube.com/watch?v=zTQxqac0Rp...hannel_video_title
marxbrother
46 minutes agoBack a rat into a corner and no matter how big you are, it will bite you.
Michael Miles
Today 07:49 PMRecommended by
4 peopleLibya is not killing it's population.
It is a ploy used by USA again to have a reason and wold approval to invade and steal all the oil.
This is just like Iraq, Armed Robbery and the USA and Nato should be treated like Armed robbers.
This old Government killing population is wearing a bit thin don't you think.
1.7 million Libyans in tripoli stated nothing is going on and wants Nato out of their country.
What did the General do, make everyone say that. I think not.
First it was Iraq, then Egypt, then Libya.
Soon to be Syria and Iran
I am getting really sick of seeing USA breach laws.
That's ok. Fort Calhoun is spreading radiation all over USA as we speak and the comet we are going to fly through in October should put a damper on every ones style.
Both being kept under wraps by USA
They will not even tell their own population that a reactor meltdown occurred in Nebraska
blevr
Today 07:48 PMRecommended by
1 person From the look of him in that photo, he looks like Michael Jacksons doctor is personally looking after him!!
Her Lao
Today 07:37 PMWhat a brilliant idea!
Since neither Libya nor the USA is a signatory to the ICC, Colonel Gaddaffi could really go to Honolulu, USA, and doesn't have to worry about the long and ineffective arm of the ICC from old Europe!
Unless, of course, he insists going to his good friend Teodoro Obiang's Equatorial Guinea or his other good friend Mr. Mugabe's Zimbabwe?
________ harrier61
50 minutes agoRecommended by
1 person Her Lao
You need to do some research. The fact that neither Libya nor the USA are signatories to the treaty that set up the ICC is irrelevant. Why? Because the situation was referred to the ICC by the UN Security Council. The Obama Administration has stated its intent to cooperate with the International Criminal Court. No way for Gaddafi & co to wriggle out of those arrest warrants.
Marius Alexandersen
Today 07:31 PMRecommended by
2 peopleSo that's why he's so evil. His uniform looks like it belongs to the German SS of WWII.
________ Michael Miles
53 minutes agoRecommended by
2 peopleAnd USA is not modeled after the Nazi regime?
Both Nazi Germany and USA are modeled after the Roman empire which is alive and well
ghotcommander
Today 07:06 PMRecommended by
1 person Gaddafi cannot escape from the International war crimes arrest warrant no matter where he goes.
________ harrier61
Today 07:44 PMghotcommander
War criminal Saddam Hussein was hanged. But he was tried by Iraq not the ICC. Wonder what penalties the ICC can impose? It seems it can impose a prison term of 'whole life'. Plus a fine and/or forfeiture of proceeds, property and assets.
Still, when you're going to spend the rest of your life in gaol, you don't need money!
__________________ andymp
57 minutes agoRecommended by
4 peopleIs Iraq a better country without Hussein? A safer, richer country?
Would you like to live there?
The West is a bakrupt - also because of these wars.
And people in Iraq - you can be blown up every minute.
The West brought them "democracy" (do you know how many people lost life there in result of that war).
Libya will be the second Iraq. And Europe will have new Islamists at the gate.
___________________ simonlove
2 minutes agoBecause of these wars, the west now has enough oil for consumerism to continue...
The west is not bankrupt because of wars, the west especially the USA, is bankrupt because its citizens love cheap credit—Crunch comes when interest on the credit and the credit itself, vastly exceeds GDP.
___________________ Michael Miles
51 minutes agoRecommended by
5 peopleIraq was no war, just an Invasion and murder of its people by USA for the sole reason of oil and military location.
The goal here is Iran
ryeatley
Today 06:37 PMRecommended by
15 people(the rebels) are also having to deal with extensive minefields and traps full of
chemicals, they have said.
But the rebels have been filmed by the BBC laying mines. But the rebels sold chemical weapons to Hizbollah and Hamas.
Do I automatically believe what this bunch of insurgents, terrorists, turncoats and extremists say? No. Are their statements reported for propaganda? It seems so.
The rebels do not launch full-scale attacks - they merely follow NATO and administer the coup de gras.
_______ harrier61
Today 07:34 PMryeatley
The TNC formally pledged not to use anti-personnel mines. The BBC filmed rebels laying anti-vehicle mines.
___________________ kingsley
21 minutes agoThis is What the REAL LIBYANS WANT -
Tripoli 1.3Million Libyans COMPLAININ youtube.com/watch?v=n38o2J07W3...
youtube.com/watch?v=6U7p9QwJZt...
Zlitan 16th july 2011youtube.com /watch?v=_Qf92ipV3-w&feature=related
500.000
Zawia 16th July 2011youtube.com /watch?v=F-h4os5uGwM&feature=related
1.2million
Adjelat 14th July 2011 youtube.com/watch?v=zTQxqac0Rp...hannel_video_title
BUT NO ONE CARES, THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM LIBYA!
ON THE 16th In TWO different Parts of Libya 1 Million People Demonstrated at the same time!!! How Could he Pay all these people! !
We need to understand that, We haev No Money here in the Uk, Our Resources are Dry, we need to Colonise other to avoid raising taxes. These is the Truth!
in libya
there is no Electricty Bills ( Only business pay Bill)
Bank Loans are INTEREST FREE!
LIBYA does not OWE IMF a penny ( making it VERY INDEPENDENT)
Due to Low polulation , families are give 50.000 dinars ( $48.000, to start a Family, INTEREST FREE)
Education is Free in libya, Even subsideced by The goverenment when Outside the Country. $2500.
Libyans Dont Pay TAX! TAX FREE!
One of the wealthest Country in Africa, Dont belive me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...
WHY not tell The people you want to Rob them In Day light!
SHOULD AN ELECTION BE HELD IN LIBYA, 100% GADDADFI Will win!
I am not being PAID to say this, or Supporting Gaddafi, or the Rebels!! I just Want the Truth TO BE TOLD!
Am English, and am sorry for The loss of lives in both parties in Libya!!
___________________ ryeatley
Today 07:43 PMRecommended by
2 peoplehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
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Dù muốn hay không, dù phải bị trục xuất ra khỏi Libya hay không, kết cuộc của độc tài Gadhafi rồi cũng NHỤC NHÃ như hầu hết những tên cầm quyền độc tài bạo ác khác, không thể tránh khỏi khi người dân Libya đứng lên chống lại chế độ .
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