Hong Kong Student Protesters and City Leaders Debate Democracy’s Future
By MICHAEL FORSYTHE and ALAN WONGOCT. 21, 2014
Protesters watched a live broadcast of a meeting between student leaders and government officials in the Admiralty district of Hong Kong on Tuesday. Carrie Lam, the second-highest ranking official in Hong Kong, is seen on the screen at right. Credit Nicolas Asfouri/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
HONG KONG — After weeks of unprecedented protests that have shaken this financial hub of 7.2 million, residents thought they had seen it all. Then on Tuesday night something even more extraordinary happened, on live television: a polite debate between cherubic-faced students wearing black “Freedom Now” T-shirts and top Hong Kong leaders over the future of democracy.
Five student leaders, hair disheveled, took on the officials — who were old enough to be their parents — in the frank discourse. They spoke Cantonese, the prevailing local Chinese dialect, with simultaneous translations into English and sign language.
The students wanted officials to commit to greater liberties in future elections. “What is the next step?” Alex Chow, 24, the secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, asked Hong Kong’s No. 2 official, Carrie Lam, 57.
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Officials in the two-hour debate made no promises and said they were there to listen. Still, the exchange suggested a softening in the crisis that has convulsed Hong Kong for nearly a month and a possible exit ramp from it.
Student leaders attending the televised talks in Hong Kong on Tuesday were, from left, Yvonne Leung, Nathan Law, Alex Chow, Lester Shum and Eason Chung. Credit Anthony Kwan/Getty Images
It was a remarkably civil and scholarly discussion, all the more so given the generational divide between the sides. Each cited articles of Hong Kong’s constitution, chapter and verse, to back its points.
Even more remarkable was that it was happening in Hong Kong, the former British colony only a few miles from mainland China, where such a freewheeling public political discussion has not been heard in at least a quarter century, when students occupied Tiananmen Square in Beijing. That protest provoked a bloody crackdown that has reverberated through China ever since.
At issue in Hong Kong was how voters would choose its top leader, the chief executive, in elections set for 2017. For the first time, all five million eligible voters may cast ballots.
But China’s Communist Party-controlled legislature, which has final say on how Hong Kong changes its constitution, put restrictions on how people can win a spot on the ballot that pro-democracy advocates say effectively excludes those who offend Beijing.
That sent people to the streets on Sept. 28, and they have been there ever since, erecting colorful tent cities on some of Hong Kong’s busiest avenues. Yet on Tuesday night, both sides, the government and the students that have been the driving force behind the protests, said they wanted to move forward.
Ms. Lam told the students that the government was willing to submit a new report to Beijing acknowledging the surge of discontent that followed the Aug. 31 decision by China’s National People’s Congress on the election guidelines.
In what appeared to be a further conciliatory signal, she also said the rules could change in subsequent elections.
The students stuck with their demands to push for immediate changes to Hong Kong’s election law. They want the 2017 elections for the city’s highest post, the chief executive, open to a wide range of candidates. But Mrs. Lam’s offer did spark some interest.
Continue reading the main story Continue reading the main story “Do you have a time frame?” Mr. Chow asked. “Do you have a road map to see in which direction our constitutional development is going?”
Hong Kong’s government is seeking a way to defuse its biggest political crisis since China reclaimed sovereignty in 1997 after more than 150 years of British rule.
For more than three weeks the area around the government headquarters in the city center, as well as in two busy shopping districts, have been commandeered by thousands of protesters. They have clashed with police officers trying to clear imaginative barricades constructed of everything from bamboo poles to garbage cans.
What may have amounted only to a small demonstrations, mushroomed into a broad movement when the police used tear gas and pepper spray in an attempt to break up protests on Sept. 28, with protesters using umbrellas to shield themselves.
The students feel that Beijing was given a misleading report by the government on the political mood here that influenced how the legislature wrote its guidelines.
Mrs. Lam rejected that charge, and said the students should accept that opening the election to all of Hong Kong’s eligible voters is a significant advance. "I don’t know why you don’t consider that important progress in our quest for democracy,” she said.
Students, who have spearheaded the sit-in protests, now known as the Umbrella Movement, had demanded talks with the government. The government had canceled talks set to take place on Oct. 10.
The students and other protesters want a more open nomination process as well the abolition of so-called functional constituencies, which are industry, professional and social groups that are represented in Hong Kong’s legislature and in the committee that picks the chief executive.
The government has rejected or ignored all of the student’s demands, except for their request to talk.
Hong Kong’s top official, Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying, made clear on Monday that the government would only listen to what the students had to say and explain to them how Hong Kong’s political process works. The territory has a great deal of autonomy from Beijing and its people enjoy a broad range of civil liberties that mainland Chinese lack, including freedom of speech and assembly.
“It is not a negotiation. We have deliberately said it is a dialogue,” Mr. Leung said. “We are all ears, and obviously we are duty-bound to explain to the students and through the media the constitutional arrangements for us to have universal suffrage in Hong Kong.”
Mr. Leung is a focus of the students’ anger, and they reminded the government officials, on at least two occasions during the two-hour debate, of comments he made on Monday about how full democracy would mean “a numbers game” that would force the government to skew “politics and policies” toward poor people
“Is he going to be serving the tycoons and the business sector?” Mr. Chow asked. “Is this system democratic, is it free?”
In public appearances after the debate, both sides played down expectations. Mrs. Lam told reporters that “we can only agree to disagree.” And Yvonne Leung, one of the student debaters, told supporters at the main protest site that the government “didn’t give us a material response or direction. We’re disappointed, and we must continue to stay here.”
Despite the animosity, students and other protesters, watching the debate on large projection screens at the main protest site near the government headquarters, were happy that the government was at least willing to talk.
“This is the first time the government has spoken with protesters on an equal level,” said Teddy Yeung, a computer engineering student wearing a red bandanna. “That’s already a step forward for us.”
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With reporting by Chris Buckley, Hilda Wang and Siobhan Downes
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