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Mubarak on trial: Middle East live – Wednesday 3 August 2011
guardian.co.uk
• Mubarak denies all charges against him
• Appears in court lying on stretcher behind bars
• Trial adjourned until 15 August
• Scenes in court chaotic and at times bizarre
• Click for details of defendants and charges
• Syria: Government troops continue to attack Hama
• Libya: Rebels say they have repelled attack at Zlitan
• Read a summary of today's key events
Hosni Mubarak on his stretcher and behind bars as he faces the court in Cairo today. Photograph: Al-Jazeera
8.19am: Welcome to Middle East Live. It is a historic day in Egypt where Hosni Mubarak, who ruled Egypt with an iron fist for 30 years, goes on trial to face charges of corruption and unlawful killing.
He was brought down by a revolution that started just over six months ago and today will appear in the dock behind the bars of a specially constructed metal cage.
An ambulance believed to be carrying Mubarak has arrived outside the court, where crowds are gathering to witness this momentous event.
We will be bringing you updates on the trial as well as news from the rest of the Middle East.
8.25am: There is a large screen outside the courtroom where supporters and opponents of the former Egyptian president are currently throwing stones at each other. The two appear to be separated by barriers.
Early in the morning, some 50 of Mubarak's supporters chanting slogans and holding portraits of the former leader gathered outside the venue, AP reports.
"We will demolish and burn the prison if they convict Mubarak," they screamed at hundreds of police and army troops backed by armoured personnel carriers.
8.29am: A picture has been posted online that is said to be the first of the former Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, outside the ambulance, arriving for his trial.
8.59am: I just spoke to the Guardian's Jack Shenker, who is in downtown Cairo. Jack covered the Egyptian revolution and was initially granted permission to be one of the few foreign journalists inside the courtroom before being denied access by the security services.
He said the headlines in Egyptian papers this morning included "Judgment day" and "The awaited day".
There's been a real sense as to whether he would actually turn up in his white prison overalls in this specially constructed metal cage which all Egyptian criminal defendants are supposed to stand in when they're in court. And the sight of this once mighty dictator so publicly humiliated and so brought down to earth is one which a huge amount of Egyptians are relishing.
Usually in important criminal cases there's an adjournment early on once the trial starts. The first day is given over to procedural matters, technical arguments by both the defence and prosecution. The lawyers usually ask for an adjournment to review the evidence and the judge will often adjourn the case for a month. Now, this judge has promised that this won't happen...Obviously any dealys will be very politically sensitive. Protesters have already complained that the ruling army generals have been delaying this trial for too long, putting off holding Mubarak to account so there's a lot of pressure to get this trial under way.
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9.03am: Hosni Mubarak's two sons, Gamal and Alaa, have arrived in the metal cage in the Egyptian courtroom. A glimpse can be seen of the former dictator in a holding cell, lying on a stretcher. He appeared to be picking his nose.
The judge is opening the proceedings.
9.07am: The judge begins by calling out the names of the accused. They reply in turn "I am present, your honour." Although, for some reason he didn't read out the names of the Mubaraks.
9.15am: While the judge is going through the formalities - he is currently identifying the various lawyers in court - here are some useful links.
Simon Tisdall's profile of Hosni Mubarak for the Guardian, from February:
Mubarak's attitude to his people was by turns paternalistic, aloof and repressive. Though he claimed to love his fellow Egyptians, he did not trust them, maintaining the harsh emergency laws imposed after Sadat's assassination throughout his reign. Leading an unswervingly secular, pro-western regime, he demonised even moderate Islamist parties and made of the Muslim Brotherhood a bogeyman with which to scare the Americans.
Yet, in rare interviews he implied that he believed he held some sort of divine mandate, that he ruled through and by God's will. After he survived an attempt on his life by Gema'a Islamiya (Muslim Group) terrorists in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, in June 1995, one of up to eight attempted assassinations over 30 years, he returned to Cairo proclaiming that God had saved him through an act of divine providence, as in 1981.
Imperious, abstemious (he does not smoke or drink), and intensely private, he suggested Egyptians were lucky to have him in charge. Without him, he said repeatedly, there would be only chaos. And this claim to ensure stability was, in truth, his entire electoral manifesto.
The Washington Post has a timeline of Mubarak's rise and rule.
The New York Times has details of the security arrangements for today.
The Ministry of interior and the Army said 5,000 soldiers and officers backed by 50 tanks and armored vehicles would be deployed along the route where Mr. Mubarak and his co-defendants, including his two sons, would be transported to court as well as the court itself, a Cairo police academy. Officials said barbed wire would ring the police academy to stop intruders, and security forces would surround the facility's outer fence.
No one will be allowed inside except the 600 people with the permits, plus civil rights lawyers and a small number of the families of victims of the Mr. Mubarak's failed effort to crush the revolution.
Officials said their security plan included ways to ensure separation between the people attending the trial and the accused, to avoid any verbal or physical assaults on the defendants themselves.
9.26am: The appearance of Mubarak behind bars on a stretcher has not won any sympathy for him from participants in the Egyptian revolution which toppled him, judging by the reaction on Twitter.
@mosaaberizing
Even on a bed in a cage, Mubarak's eye seem to be filled with arrogance, hands resting on chin. Unbelievable. #MubarakTrial
@lilianwagdy
mubarak is obviously faking sorry you get zero sympathy from me dude
9.36am: You can watch al-Jazeera's live stream of Hosni Mubarak's trial here.
9.39am: A picture has been posted online of Gamal Mubarak checking the time inside the cage in the courtroom as a lawyer reads a long list of names
9.44am: The judge has just tried to speed up one of the defence lawyers (not representing the Mubaraks) whose speech was dragging on. The lawyer was appealing for more defendants to be added to the trial, presumably to point the finger at others. The judge requested that the lawyer hand over his demands in writing rather than reciting them all. The lawyer said he wanted to make his points verbally but the judge said: "We do not want to waste time."
9.54am: These are the details of the defendants and the charges.
Hosni Mubarak
Former president of Egypt.
Charged with corruption and the unlawful killing of protesters in the uprising against him earlier this year. He faces the death penalty if convicted.
Alaa Mubarak
Son of the ex-president.
Charged with corruption
Gamal Mubarak
Son of the ex-president.
Also charged with corruption.
Habib El-Adly
Former interior minister.
Charged with murder and attempted murder in connection with the deaths of those killed during the uprising.
Six others described as senior police officers or former interior ministry officials are also charged with murder and attempted murder in connection with the uprising. We'll have more on them when we get it.
10.04am: My colleague Nour Ali (a pseudonym) sends this update on the situation in Syria, where the siege of Hama is continuing into its fourth day. She says that electricity, internet and phone lines have been cut to the whole city from late last night, according to activists and one escaped resident. Tanks and heavy gunfire started around 5am, the resident who left to a nearby city said, but getting further news is difficult. There was a second demonstration in Mohajireen, close to the presidential residence in Damascus, last night, suggesting the area may be joining the fray. The Local Co-ordination Committees, which organise and report on protests in Syria, are reporting on Hama on their Facebook page. Five hours ago they reported "very heavy gunshots and random shelling in Hama".
Nour and Ian Black wrote about yesterday's events in Syria here. Seven people were killed across the country, bringing to at least 140 the number of fatalities since Sunday, when the government launched an offensive in Hama on the eve of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
Rami Abdul-Rahman, the head of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said residents on the outskirts of Hama reported seeing lines of tanks heading towards the city early today. Blasts were heard soon afterwards.
Reuters reported that dozens were wounded when demonstrators in the western Damascus suburb of Mouadhamiya, the northeastern city of Hasaka, and the port city of Latakia came under fire after the nightly prayers yesterday.
"The United States should impose crippling sanctions in response to the murder of civilians by troops under the orders of President [Bashar al-]Assad," US senator Mark Kirk, a Republican, said in introducing legislation in Washington to target firms that invest in Syria's energy sector, purchase its oil or sell gasoline. Kirk was joined in sponsoring the bill by Democratic senator Kirsten Gillibrand and independent senator Joseph Lieberman, who said it was time to push for "a democratic transition that reflects the will of the Syrian people".
The UN security council negotiated for a second day yesterday over a western-backed draft resolution condemning Syria, before adjourning until today. Diplomats said significant differences remained over the text and it had not been decided whether the end result should be a resolution or a less weighty council statement.
10.07am: Anthony Shadid, in the New York Times, makes the interesting point that the trial of Hosni Mubarak could make things more difficult for revolutionaries elsewhere in the Arab world:
The scene of Mr Mubarak standing before a judge may, in fact, make the Arab revolts in Syria, Libya and Yemen all that much more difficult to resolve. Some Arab officials have said that prosecuting Mr Mubarak will make strongmen facing their own uprisings more reluctant to leave.
But few in Egypt, even those uneasy at the idea of an ailing 83-year-old man facing charges that carry the penalty of death, worried about those implications.
10.12am: One of the defence lawyers has requested the presence in court of Muhammad Tantawi, the head of the Egyptian military and therefore de facto head of state at present, and Omar Suleiman, Mubarak's former intelligence chief who famously announced the dictator's departure. Suleiman was made vice-president by Mubarak in a bid to quell the uprising against his regime even though Suleiman was feared and despised because of his previous role as head of intelligence.
10.16am: Here is an update on the charges faced by Hosni Mubarak and the other defendants. The former president is charged with:
• Killing demonstrators during the uprising against him earlier this year.
• Profiteering by abusing his position of power
• Exporting gas to Israel for prices lower than international market rates.
Sentences for these charges range from five years in prison to the death penalty.
His sons Alaa and Gamal are charged with profiteering by abusing their father's power. This charge carries a potential sentence of between five and 15 years in prison.
Habib El-Adly and the other six defendants – who are described variously as senior police officers, senior security officers, former interior ministry officials, or aides to El-Adly – are charged with murder and attempted murder in connection to the uprising; the charges carry a potential sentence of 15 years in prison or the death penalty.
10.16am: Scuffles are breaking out outside the court between police and demonstrators, Al-Jazeera is reporting.
10.17am: The Mubaraks have just left the courtroom as the trial has apparently been adjourned (presumably for just a short while). Their case has not been reached by the judge yet.
10.18am: Al-Jazeera is showing riot police in black with shields and helmets, and others in white, outside the court. Rocks are being thrown and protesters and police are being carried away injured, the channel reports.
10.21am: People were attacking the police with rocks, al-Jazeera reports, leading police to move against them.
10.22am: Syria: Reuters is reporting that tanks are occupying Orontes Square in central Hama after heavy shelling of the city.
10.27am: Around 200 riot police charged at people involved in skirmishes, according to al-Jazeera. Opponents and supporters of the former Egyptian president were throwing stones and rocks at each other. Al-Jazeera's reporter Sherine Tadros said police acted after an officer was hit on the head by a rock and was taken away in an ambulance. Other people have also been carried into ambulances injured, she said.
Scuffles outside the court in Cairo where Hosni Mubarak is on trial today. Photograph: Al-Jazeera _
10.36am: The Mubaraks have been brought back into the courtroom.
10.37am: Journalist Sarah Carr says he has seen two people arrested outside the court.
10.41am: More from Hama in Syria, where tanks are occupying the main central square after heavy shelling.
"All communications have been cut off. The regime is using the media focus on the Hosni Mubarak trial to finish off Hama," one of the residents told Reuters, adding that shelling concentrated on al-Hader district, large parts of which were was razed during the 1982 military assault on Hama that killed thousands. The square has been the venue of some of the largest demonstrations against Bashar al-Assad's rule during the five month uprising.
10.42am: The international medical humanitarian organisation Médecins Sans Frontières today condemned an armed raid on its premises in Bahrain on 28 July and the subsequent detention of one of its staff members. Since February, when demonstrations began in Bahrain, MSF has seen almost 200 injured and ill patients who did not want to seek help from Bahraini health facilities because they feared being arrested for any involvement in the protests or for any affiliation with the protesters.
10.44am: Back to the Mubarak trial in Egypt.
A lawyer representing victims refers to protesters in the "great revolution" having "bombs and grenades" used against them and to "intimidation and thuggery". He says: "The ousted dictator decided to kill peaceful demonstrators."
10.52am: Another lawyer representing victims says that after today's court hearing, Hosni Mubarak, who has been in hospital in Sharm el-Sheikh, should be taken to Torah prison, where many other members of his regime including his sons are being held.
10.54am: Jack Shenker writes from Cairo. He says the centre of the city is pretty much a ghost town at the moment. Some of that is because it's Ramadan at the moment, when the streets are always quieter than normal, but it's also because there are so many people huddled around rickety TV sets in alleyway cafes or standing outside the windows of electronic shops staring at the screens within.
Many have been commentating on the fact that Mubarak is on a stretcher, with most dismissing it as a naked plea for sympathy (the 83-year-old seems perfectly able to prop himself up and put his hands behind his head, so it's not clear why he's not just in a wheelchair).
Not everyone is happy though. "It's good to see the others there, but the sight of a man who once led the biggest nation in the Middle East now lying in a bed behind bars - that's really strange," Reda Tohami Ibrahim told me as we watched proceedings in a side street. Others around him also appeared in a state of shock - though there was no shortage of bawdy laughter when the camera appeared to catch the deposed dictator picking his nose.
Now that the dramatic moment of Mubarak's first appearance is over with, thoughts are turning to what will actually happen inside the courtroom. The day seems likely to be consumed with procedural arguments by the phalanx of lawyers on both sides, and it seems highly possible that the beleaguered judge (who is struggling to keep order) may accept the defence's call for an adjournment. The biggest drama may prove to be outside the courtroom, where scattered clashes between between police and pro-Mubarak supporters are continuing.
10.56am: A prosecutor says Hosni Mubarak illegally acquired five villas worth 39m Egyptian pounds (£4m) for his sons and himself.
He refers to 2m sq km of land acquired in Sharm el-Sheikh.
By agreement and collusion he agreed with an official public servant to obtain without right benefits from his position.
10.58am: "I deny all these charges and accusations categorically," Hosni Mubarak says from his stretcher.
11.00am: Mubarak's sons, Alaa and Gamal, also deny the charges.
11.03am: Jack Shenker writes from Cairo:
Hugely emotional moment as prosecutor reads out the charges against Hosni Mubarak. Much of it may be legalese, but this (by no means all-encompassing) litany of crimes committed by Mubarak against Egypt and its people is, for many, the ultimate vindication after 30 years of dictatorship - and six months of ongoing revolution. When the names of some of those killed in the pro-change uprising were stated, some broke into tears. Mubarak spoke for the first time to confirm his presence, and deny all the charges against him.
11.20am: Al-Jazeera's Twitter feed has some intriguing details from the trial this morning.
Lawyer for slain protesters asks for CDs of footage of the uprising, including from Al Jazeera.
One lawyer said Mubarak and sons had never had a criminal file created, pulls out ink pad, demands they be fingerprinted.
Lawyer for protesters wants to call in security snipers to interrogate them about who gave orders.
A video image taken from Egyptian state TV showing the sons of Hosni Mubarak, Alaa Mubarak (left) and Gamal Mubarak in court in Cairo today. Photograph: AP _
11.22am: A lawyer for victims has called for various other people to be summoned to appear in court. They included the head of the Egyptian telecom company NTRA the head of Egyptian state TV and the head of Nile News.
The excellent Daily News Egypt Twitter feed also says a lawyer has requested that Muhammad Tantawi, the head of the armed forces and de facto head of state, should be called. The lawyer has also asked for a list of officers on duty on 25 to 28 January with a view to establishing their culpability and for a list of telephone call records between defendants.
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11.25am: Here is a live stream from the court.
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11.28am: Jack Shenker writes from Cairo:
Drama as prosecuting lawyers name Egypt's telecommunication companies (Vodafone, Mobinil and Etisalat) regarding their behaviour during the anti-government uprising. The Guardian has reported before on the controversy over these multinational corporations shutting down their networks at the height of the demonstrations.
11.32am: My colleagues on the video desk send this video of this morning's proceedings.
11.33am: While the eyes of the world are on the court room in Cairo, it has been reported in Israel that Egypt's Middle East neighbour and ally offered Hosni Mubarak asylum but he turned it down.
Mubarak turned down the offer from former industry, trade and labour minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer "because he was a patriot" the legislator told Army Radio Wednesday.
At the height of the uprising that eventually forced Mubarak to step down, he refused to consider leaving the country, stating, "I will die in Egypt."
Ben-Eliezer was instrumental in closing the highly controversial natural gas deal with Egypt. Mubarak's opponents charge that he sold Israel gas at a cheap price and pocketed hundreds of millions of dollars in the deal.
One of the charges faced by Mubarak relates to him allegedly facilitating below-market gas sales to Israel.
11.35am: A lawyer from the Egyptian treasury has requested 1bn Egyptian pounds (£102,427,578) from the accused to serve as compensation for the loss of life and the damage to property on an interim basis.
11.37am: Another lawyer has bizarrely claimed that it is not Hosni Mubarak in the dock but a clone - the real former president having died in 2004. The lawyer requested a DNA test to establish the true identity of the man standing trial.
11.40am: Apparently there are 30 lawyers in the courtroom and another 130 outside, who were denied admission.
11.42am: Sultan Al Qassemi, a commentator on the Arab world, tweets the following updates.
Lawyer requesting compensation from accused for damage to Egypt's security because "God said in the Qur'an that Egypt is a safe place"
Judge Ahmed Rifaat got fed up and told all lawyers to sit down "now". "Leave the mic and go sit, all of you"
11.50am: The court has adjourned again, bringing a close to a chaotic - and at times frankly bizarre - session.
Before the adjournment, Mubarak's lawyer, Farid el-Deeb, requested that 1,631 witnesses be heard in court, raising the prospect of a very lengthy trial.
It is unclear at present whether the trial has been adjourned just for a short break or for the day. We'll have another update from Jack Shenker in Cairo shortly.
11.52am: The Local Co-ordinating Committees, which report on and organise protests in Syria, say that in Hama tanks are shelling the houses and throwing bombs into them. "Clouds of smoke hang over the city, along with fires."
My colleagues on the video desk send these clips of amateur footage of the attacks on Hama.
11.55am: Court officials said the court was adjourning for "deliberations" this time, Jack Shenker reports from Cairo. The last break was called a "recess". They gave no more details, so it is still unclear how long this adjournment will last.
11.59am: Hosni Mubarak will be held in the police academy hospital for the rest of the trial rather than going back to Sharm el-Sheikh, the Egyptian state news agency is reporting.
12.08pm: Nour Ali, the Guardian's Damascus correspondent (who works under a pseudonym for security reasons), writes:
Syrians have paid careful attention to the fortunes of other Arab states since the start of the pro-democracy uprisings. Activists were inspired by the toppling of Tunisia's Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, and the idea that change could also come to Syria was given extra impetus by the fall of another seemingly unassailable strongman: Hosni Mubarak.
The start of his trial is being closely watched. Posters on Facebook have described it as a great moment and written of their hope to eventually see Bashar al-Assad, the president of Syria, in a similar dock. "We are not sure the court is sincere, but it is a great moment to see Mubarak have to answer," said one young man in Damascus. "It is very good - we need justice. Even if he is old, he should not get away with it," said another.
More than 1,600 people have been killed in Syria since protests began, and thousands more have been detained, but the regime's fierce crackdown has failed to stop growing calls for Assad to eventually face justice. The regime has made a show of reining in a handful of officials: the president's cousin and business tycoon Rami Makhlouf announced that he would step back from business. Atif Najib, another cousin of Assad and the former political security chief in Deraa, where protests began, has been put under a travel ban. But no members of the army or security forces - which have been accused of serious human rights abuses - have been called to account.
State media, which cheered Mubarak's exit due to deteriorated relations with Egypt in recent years, has so far remained silent on his trial.
12.12pm: Al-Jazeera is reporting that a business associate of Mubarak's, Hussein Salem, is also on trial. He is charged with corruption and is being tried in absentia.
Former interior minister Habib El-Adly is already serving 12 years for money laundering and profiteering.
12.16pm: Jack Shenker reports from Cairo that it seems likely the judge will return – whether to continue proceedings or to announce a formal adjournment (for example, for a week or month) we don't know yet.
12.37pm: Here is a summary of what has happened so far today.
Egypt
• Hosni Mubarak, the deposed former president of Egypt, has appeared in court in Cairo charged with killing demonstrators during the uprising against him earlier this year, profiteering by abusing his position of power, and exporting gas to Israel for prices lower than international market rates. He faces sentences ranging from five years in prison to the death penalty. He denied all the charges against him.
• Mubarak appeared behind a cage in the court, lying on a stretcher, apparently due to ill health. He will reportedly be held in the police academy hospital for the rest of the trial rather than going back to Sharm el-Sheikh.
• A lawyer requested that Muhammad Tantawi, the head of the armed forces and de facto head of state, be called. The behaviour of Egypt's telecommunications companies, Vodafone, Mobinil and Etisalat, during the uprising against Mubarak has been raised in court. Vodafone and other mobile phone companiesn were criticised for following Egyptian government orders and implementing a communications blackout at the height of the revolution. A lawyer for the victims called for people including the head of the Egyptian telecom company NTRA, the head of Egyptian state TV and the head of Nile News to appear in court. A lawyer also requested that Muhammad Tantawi, the head of the armed forces and de facto head of state, be called, as well as Omar Suleiman, Mubarak's former intelligence chief.
• The trial has at times been chaotic and even bizarre. One lawyer claimed it was not Mubarak in the dock, but a clone, the real president having died in 2004. He asked for a DNA test to be carried out. Mubarak's lawyer, Ferid el-Deeb, has asked for 1,631 witnesses to be called. Another lawyer requested compensation from Mubarak for damage to Egypt's security because "God said in the Qur'an that Egypt is a safe place". A lawyer from the Egyptian treasury asked for 1bn Egyptian pounds (£102,427,578) in compensation from Mubarak. Another lawyer said Mubarak and his sons had never had a criminal file created, pulled out an ink pad and demanded they be fingerprinted. There were 30 lawyers in the courtroom and the judge was asked to admit another 130 waiting outside.
• Also on trial are Mubarak's two sons Alaa and Gamal, charged with profiteering, Hussein Salem, a business associate of Mubarak's charged with corruption and being tried in absentia, former interior minister Habib El-Adly, charged with the murder and attempted murder of protesters, and six police officers or interior ministry officials, also charged with murder and attempted murder.
• There were skirmishes outside between pro- and anti-Mubarak activists and police, with reports of arrests, rock-throwing and injuries.
• The trial has been adjourned and it is unclear when it will restart.
Syria
• Tanks are occupying the main central square in Hama in the fourth day of attacks on the city. All communications have reportedly been cut off. There are reports that tanks are heavily shelling houses, security forces throwing bombs into residences, and there is heavy gunfire. The government has been accused of taking the opportunity of the distraction of the Mubarak trial to continue its attacks. The UN security council is due to reconvene today to continue discussing what – if any – action to take against Syria.
12.44pm: Jack Shenker sends more from Cairo:
Amid chaotic scenes in the makeshift courthouse, with lawyers shouting over each other to get the judge's attention and running street battles raging outside between supporters and opponents of the toppled president, the sight of Hosni Mubarak lying impassive as a prosecutor read out some of the names of those killed by his security forces is likely to be one of the defining images of this year's ongoing political unrest in the Arab world.
The spectacle was aired live on state television, bringing much of the capital to a standstill as Egyptians huddled around TV sets and watched their former leader in the dock. It was the first time Mubarak had appeared on television since 10 February, when he gave a defiant speech to the nation refusing to resign. He fled Cairo the following day.
"I am delighted that I see them in a cage," Saeeda Hassan Abdel-Raouf, the mother of a 22-year-old protester who was among those killed in the uprising, told reporters. "I feel that my son's soul is finally starting to be at rest and that his blood will cool."
Mubarak was taken from the Red Sea resort town of Sharm el-Sheikh by military helicopter earlier this morning, arriving in the courthouse at 10am local time. Despite the judge's insistence that anybody disrupting proceedings would face an automatic 24-hour prison sentence, the trial regularly descended into confusion as lawyers put forward various technical arguments regarding legal aspects of the case.
Amnesty International and other human rights organisations have warned that Mubarak's prosecution must be conducted fairly. "This trial presents a historic opportunity for Egypt to hold a former leader and his inner circle to account for crimes committed during their rule," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty director for the Middle East and North Africa.
"But if the trial is going to be a meaningful break with Egypt's record of impunity, it must be both fair and transparent – justice demands no less. Not only must the trial be fair but it must be seen to be fair, not least by the families of those who died during the protests."
Although the first day was dominated by legalese, it soon became clear that those expecting a swift verdict would be disappointed. Mubarak's prosecution file is believed to run to over 12,000 pages, and his defence announced plans to call over a thousand witnesses. It appears likely that the case will be adjourned, possibly until next month.
12.46pm: Brian Whitaker, the Guardian's former Middle East editor, has written about the Mubarak trial at Comment is free.
Let us hope that this will not simply be a show trial. The important thing ... is not so much humiliation or punishment as accountability – bringing the corruption and misdeeds of the old regime into the daylight. The crimes need to be exposed in meticulous detail so that new boundaries can be set for acceptable behaviour in government. The usual kind of rhetorical speeches favoured by Egyptian lawyers will not help much in that.
12.51pm: Chris Stephen writes from Misrata about Libyan reaction to Mubarak trial so far. He says the overwhelming feeling seems to be one of relief.
"This is good for Libya; it shows the Egyptian revolution is working," said Ayman Suleiman, a retired police colonel.
Egypt's decision to open its border to supplies has been a lifeline for rebels in eastern Libya, and the sight of the former dictator in the dock is seen as proof positive that he will not be coming back to power.
"Mubarak and [Muammar] Gaddafi were like this," said hotel owner Khalid Feton, putting his two forefingers together. "If Mubarak were still in power, we would have no chance."
Most here think the fates of democratic forces in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia are interwoven, the participants in the so-called Arab spring depending on each other for survival.
"There's no doubt that the Tunisian revolutions and the Egyptian revolutions broke the fear for people here," said journalist and human rights activist Hassan Al Amin, who returned last month to his home city after 28 years in exile in London. "Human rights for me is the most important issue now, for all of us."
The city is almost empty each morning with the onset of Ramadan, but Misrata's war crimes investigators were in their office – ironically, the former headquarters of the secret police – to watch the trial carried live on rebel television networks.
"We would like to see Gaddafi in such a situation," said attorney Mufta Shikmani. "You put a dictator on trial and you judge him: in the Arab world that is really something."
Others think Egyptians are being too harsh on a dictator who they say stepped aside rather than subject Egypt to the kind of all-out war engulfing Libya.
"I don't like this process," said Hind Khalef, a hotel manager. "Mubarak did not do like Gaddafi," she said. "He resisted for two weeks and then he went away; he did not stay to fight the people."
Rebel fighter Mohammed El Mabruk, watching the trial before heading to the western front line, said Egyptians had not given Mubarak credit for his achievements.
"Go around Cairo and see the tall buildings; they were built with Mubarak in power. Then look around here. Gaddafi was in power for 42 years, but do you see one tall building?"
12.52pm: The trial of Mubarak has now resumed. The judge is saying the trial will continue tomorrow.
12.52pm: Click refresh to see live coverage at the top of this page.
12.54pm: Hosni Mubarak will be placed in hospital in Cairo and arranged for doctors to treat him, including an oncology, or cancer, specialist. The other accused will be incarcerated. The court is adjourned.
12.55pm: Part of the case was adjourned until tomorrow, part until 15 August.
12.56pm: Mubarak will not be kept in the police academy hospital, but in another local Cairo hospital.
12.59pm: Here are the names of the six police also charged with murder and attempted murder (thanks to Jack Shenker):
• Ahmed Mohamed Ramzy Abdel Rashid
• Adly Mostafa Abdel Rahman Fayed
• Hassan Abdel Rahman Yusuf
• Ismail El-Shaer
• Osama Yusuf El-Marasy
• Omar Abdel Aziz Faramawy
1.03pm: Jack Shenker confirms that Mubarak's trial will continue on 15 August. Former interior minister Habib El-Adly's will continue tomorrow.
1.04pm: Here's a gallery of the day's events in Cairo.
1.23pm: The Guardian's Middle East editor, Ian Black, writes about the significance of Hosni Mubarak's trial for the wider Arab world, its revolutions and strongmen:
Not only Egyptians watched in fascination as Hosni Mubarak and sons appeared in the dock charged with crimes against their own people: broadcast live across the Arab world, the court appearance was an electrifying moment for millions.
Still it poses troubling questions — about the future of Egypt beyond this mesmerising scene; and for other authoritarian countries caught up in an Arab Spring whose early promise has faded and which now face bloodshed and uncertainty ...
Mubarak is not the first Arab autocrat to face justice — but he is doing so, crucially, because of the will and the sacrifices of his own former subjects. Saddam Hussein was held to account for far greater crimes but the trial and execution of the Iraqi tyrant after the US invasion was flawed by both circumstances and outcome — a hurried execution that looked and felt like an act of sectarian revenge.
Will other Arab leaders end up in the dock? ...
Libya's Muammar Gaddafi is wanted for crimes against humanity by the international criminal court — but manoeuvring over the stalemate between his regime and the Nato-backed opposition now officially includes the prospect of a quiet retirement in some remote desert oasis — a poor outcome for those of his own people who suffered under his 40 year-rule.
Perhaps the biggest question hangs over Syria, where President Bashar al-Assad has offered some reforms but is defending his regime with a savagery his late father Hafez would have recognised. An estimated 150 people have been killed by Assad's security forces in the last three days alone, many of them in Hama, scene of a notorious massacre in 1982. Violence continued as in Syria the Mubarak trial was getting under way in Cairo — a handy diversion from the business of ensuring that one of the worst of the Arab dictators lives to repress another day.
1.30pm: As those who attempted to suppress the Egyptian revolution are finally being brought to justice, some of those injured in the struggle for democracy are still recovering.
The Guardian has a video on Dr Muhammad Sharaf, who offers medical treatment and support to injured campaigners who the state is ill-equipped to help.
Sharaf is the founder of Heroes of 25 January Revolution, a charity dedicated to supporting injured survivors of the Egyptian revolution
1.48pm: This YouTube video is one of a number posted purporting to be of Syrian army tanks firing shells in Hama today.
2.00pm: The Italian navy says a missile launched from Libya landed harmlessly 2kn (1.2 miles) from an Italian warship sailing off the coast of the north African country, the Associated Press reports.
A spokesman, speaking under navy policy of anonymity, said the navy is trying to determine if it was launched on purpose against the Italian vessel. The Bersagliere is now being moved out of missile range as a precaution.
2.05pm: An interesting tweet from al-Jazeera's Ayman Mohyeldin suggests, perhaps unsurprisingly, that the Mubaraks still retain respect from at least some sections of the Egyptian military:
unbelievable walking out of courtroom alaa & gamal mubarak shaking hands w military! alaa covered the live camera w his hand #mubaraktrial
The former interior minister, Habib al-Adly, also shook hands with the military, according to Mohyeldin's al-Jazeera collegue, Rawya Rageh. She adds that Adly, Gamal and Alaa were all smiling.
2.21pm: A picture has been posted online of an Egyptian military officer, legs slightly bent (head ever so slightly bowed?), shaking hands with one of the defendants standing trial in Cairo as he left the courtroom.
2.40pm: Harriet Sherwood in Gaza City sends this post on reaction to the Mubarak trial among the Palestinians.
Despite the strong ties between Gaza and Egypt, and the close interest with which February's revolution was followed here, the start of Hosni Mubarak's trial did not generate huge excitement.
Some were surprised that it began at all, having expected some kind of deal to keep the former Egyptian president out of the dock. Others spoke of Mubarak's "humiliation" and suggested he would not receive a fair trial. And some said he deserved to be convicted for 30 years of tyrannical rule and that such a step would be of huge symbolic importance across the whole Arab world.
Many Gazans are disappointed that the Egyptian uprising has not led to deeper change, and it has not had a bigger impact on their own circumstances. Despite reopening the Rafah border crossing with much fanfare earlier this year, the Egyptian authorities have significantly tightened the numbers crossing and frustration is building among Gazans wishing to leave.
2.50pm: Saleh al-Hamoui, who is in Hama and from the Syrian Revolution Co-ordination Union, provided al-Jazeera with an update on what has been happening in the city today:
At 5am exactly, all means of communication, internet, cell phones, landlines is blocked and the army, security forces and Shabiba, began a wide operation in the city …
I called my friend on a satellite phone, who is here in the Orontes Square ... He told me the security forces and army are now in Orontes Square, shooting, firing on everything …
We don't go outside ... because snipers are everywhere and shooting everything they see ... The humanitarian situation is very bad here now.
3.22pm: The stalemate in Yemen and events in other Arab countries have seen coverage of events in the north African country fall below the radar recently. But events there have caused a humanitarian crisis. In Southern Yemen up to 184,000 people have sought refuge in schools and temporary homes, following the recent fighting between government forces and tribal groups.
Humanitarian aid worker Kitka Goyol has just spent two weeks working in Yemen with the aid agency Oxfam. He said:
I travelled down to the port of Aden, where our local partner organisation, the Yemeni Women's Union, is helping thousands of displaced people who are now living in 20 schools. This was just before the recent car bomb attack, in which a British national was killed.
It's hard to imagine what it is like to actually live in a school. People are sleeping on mattresses on the classroom floor; there is still writing on the blackboard. Children are playing where they can. The heat is stifling – it's just under 40C in Aden at this time of year.
Oxfam has been helping by rehabilitating the school toilets, distributing hygiene products such as soap and advising people on personal hygiene.
Many of the people living in the schools have been through a traumatic journey to get there. They have fled fighting and unrest in their hometown of Abayan. They have been through so much but now they just want to go home.
Oxfam's humanitarian co-ordinator Kitka Goyol with Zykra Abdullah, aged 11, who is temporarily living in a school in Aden after being recently displaced with her family
Asma, a pseudonym for a woman who has sought refuge in a school, said:
We hid for two days while our hometown, approximately 40km from Aden, was bombed. My husband was really worried about us as many houses were damaged due to the shelling, and we were running low on food and water. We lived in total darkness due to the constant power cuts and we were drowning in humidity as the temperature was 45 degrees.
One night amidst the sounds of shelling, we finally escaped. It was difficult to run quickly – I dragged my seven-year-old son behind me and held on to my pregnant belly to stop the constant kicking of my unborn child. My husband ran in front of me, and I opened my eyes wide desperately trying to follow his shadow. I called his name from time to time to make sure he was still there.
We couldn't afford to take a bus, so we decided to take a risk and use the very little amount of fuel we had to start our small boat. After about two hours, we arrived on the beach of Aden. It was still night but we could no longer hear the sound of shelling. Under the dim lights of the quiet city, I could finally see the faces of my family. My husband was exhausted and my son's tears were dried on his face. We walked in silence - I was still in shock and followed my husband without a word.
We finally arrived here - an abandoned school – where there are many other people who have fled their homes ... 'I'm afraid that my baby will die here due to the lack of ventilation and high temperatures. There is a shortage of drinking water, and the school toilets are in a bad condition.
I want to deliver my baby in a secure and healthy place… I still hope I can return home so my baby can grow up and be safe.
3.27pm: Trade volume on the Egyptian stock exchange hit a 10-year low because traders were glued to the Mubarak trial, the Egyptian Gazette reports.
It also says the country's benchmark index, EGX 30, fell by 0.9%.
Marwa Hamed, a trader at Wathika Brokerage, was quoted by the Egyptian state news ageny MENA as saying: "Volumes were negatively affected by the trial, which was televised live. It distracted investors during the trading session."
3.44pm: Here's footage of the former Egyptian interior minister, Habib al-Adly, beaming and shaking hands with members of the military as he leaves the court today.
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3.52pm: My colleagues on the video desk send this video of reaction to the Mubarak trial across the Middle East.
One young man in Cairo says the trial proves the armed forces are "partners in the revolution, not just protectors". But a Cairo woman says she feels sorry for him and all the charges should be dropped. Another man in Cairo says anyone feeling sympathy for the former president should watch videos of police torture and see how they feel after that.
In Jerusalem, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, a Labour member of the Israeli Knesset, says this is a "difficult and sad day", because until his ousting Mubarak was considered "the leader of the Arab world". He was someone who "to his credit, maintained security in the Middle East".
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4.03pm: Thousands of Yemenis gathered in "Change Square", Sana'a, today to watch Hosni Mubarak's trial, Catherine Shakdam reports. The Yemeni government tried to keep the event hidden from the people by cutting off electricity and enforcing a media blackout. But citizens in the capital powered up their generators to watch the trial. "I hope that [president Ali Abdullah] Saleh and his family are watching…it is a taste of things to come", said, Moussa Thabet a pro-democracy activist.
Saleh left the country in June after an assassination attempt and has been receiving treatment in Saudi Arabia. Last month he appeared on TV with his hands bandaged and said he had had eight operations. It is unclear if he will try to return to Yemen.
4.18pm: Libyan rebels say they have fought off an attack by pro-Gaddafi forces around Zlitan, 100 miles (160km) east of Tripoli, contradicting government claims of victory. "We allowed them to get closer to our positions before we fired heavily at them to repel their advances. Our forces have not moved back and we have kept our ground," one local commander told Reuters, asking not to be named. Moussa Ibrahim, a spokesman for the Libyan government, said the rebels had been "defeated at the gates of Zlitan" and were pushed back to Dafniya, to the east. Hospital sources said no injured fighters had arrived on Wednesday, so the front appeared to be quiet.
Several shops in rebel-held Misrata were showing live footage of the Mubarak trial with some shop assistants glued to the television set.
"Do you think we'll ever see [Muammar] Gaddafi like this one day?" One asked his colleague. "God willing" he replied.
4.26pm: In Syria, the Local Co-ordination Committees, which report on and organise protests, have put up a number of Facebook updates.
In Hama, they report random shelling of buildings, gunfire in Haidieh and Manakh since 5am, and tanks in the city in a number of locations. Shelling is concentrated on the Janoub Mala'ab area and Manakh, where most of the demonstrations have taken place. "People are deserting the city and are faced by live gunfire from security forces and army men if they don't respond to orders to go back inside. A building and many houses have collapsed due to shelling."
In Damascus, they say a campaign of arrests is still in effect in the Zabadani area. "The security forces close out districts completely and successively and then they storm people's houses to arrest them."
They post this video of tanks entering the Albayyada neighbourhood of Homs today. It cannot be independently verified.
The LCC say a nine-year-old child, Bara'a Mahmod Qabro, was killed in Latakia yesterday. In Douma, they say 50,000 people are marching at the funeral of Fahed Adnan Khuja, who was killed after torture by security forces. See video below, which we cannot independently verify.
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4.39pm: Here is a summary of today's key events.
Egypt
• Hosni Mubarak, the deposed former president of Egypt, appeared in court in Cairo charged with killing demonstrators during the uprising against his rule earlier this year, profiteering by abusing his position of power, and exporting gas to Israel for prices lower than international market rates. He faces sentences ranging from five years in prison to the death penalty. He denied all the charges against him. The trial has been adjourned until 15 August.
• Mubarak appeared behind a cage in the court, lying on a stretcher, apparently due to ill health. He will be detained until the next hearing in a Cairo hospital, where he will receive treatment from a cancer statement.
• During today's hearing a lawyer requested that Muhammad Tantawi, the head of the armed forces and de facto head of state, be called to court. The behaviour of Egypt's telecommunications companies, Vodafone, Mobinil and Etisalat, during the uprising against Mubarak was also raised. Vodafone and other mobile phone companies were criticised for following Egyptian government orders and implementing a communications blackout at the height of the revolution. A lawyer for the victims called for people including the head of the Egyptian telecom company NTRA, the head of Egyptian state TV and the head of Nile News to appear in court. A lawyer also requested that Muhammad Tantawi, the head of the armed forces and de facto head of state, be called, as well as Omar Suleiman, Mubarak's former intelligence chief.
• The hearing was at times chaotic and even bizarre. One lawyer claimed it was not Mubarak in the dock, but a clone, the real president having died in 2004. He asked for a DNA test to be carried out. Mubarak's lawyer, Ferid el-Deeb, asked for 1,631 witnesses to be called. Another lawyer requested compensation from Mubarak for damage to Egypt's security because "God said in the Qur'an that Egypt is a safe place". A lawyer from the Egyptian treasury asked for 1bn Egyptian pounds (£102,427,578) in compensation from Mubarak. Another lawyer said Mubarak and his sons had never had a criminal file created, pulled out an ink pad and demanded they be fingerprinted. There were 30 lawyers in the courtroom and the judge was asked to admit another 130 waiting outside.
• Also on trial are Mubarak's two sons Alaa and Gamal, charged with profiteering, Hussein Salem, a business associate of Mubarak's charged with corruption and being tried in absentia, former interior minister Habib El-Adly, charged with the murder and attempted murder of protesters, and six police officers, also charged with murder and attempted murder. El-Adly's trial continues tomorrow.
• There were skirmishes outside between pro- and anti-Mubarak activists and police, with reports of arrests, rock-throwing and injuries.
• Trade volume on the Egyptian stock exchange hit a 10-year low because traders were glued to the Mubarak trial.
Syria
• Tanks are occupying the main central square in Hama in the fourth day of attacks on the city. All communications have reportedly been cut off. There are reports that tanks are heavily shelling houses, security forces throwing bombs into residences, and there is heavy gunfire. The government has been accused of taking the opportunity of the distraction of the Mubarak trial to continue its attacks. There are reports of tanks in Homs and that a nine-year-old child killed in Latakia yesterday. The UN security council is due to reconvene today to continue discussing what – if any – action to take against Syria.
Libya
• The rebels say they have fought off an attack by pro-Gaddafi forces around Zlitan, 100 miles (160km) east of Tripoli, contradicting government claims of victory. The Italian navy says a missile launched from Libya landed harmlessly 1.2 miles from an Italian warship.
4.56pm: That's it for the day. Thanks for all your comments. Join us again tomorrow.
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MANHUNT UNDERWAY FOR SYDNEY BOMB ATTACKER
By Isabel Hayes, AAP
August 4, 2011, 3:59 am
Girl safe and well
Police are hunting for the man who attached a 'sophisticated' explosive device to a wealthy businessman's daughter.
An 18-year-old Sydney schoolgirl strapped to a suspected bomb for 10 hours is safe after a horrifying ordeal that has left her wealthy family at a loss as to why she was targeted.
A manhunt is underway for the attacker who was wearing a balaclava when the sophisticated and complex device was attached to the young woman's body.
The family of 18-year-old Madeleine Pulver endured "something no one needs to endure", after she was attached to the device during an attack in her Mosman home on Wednesday, police said.
Police are now hunting for whoever carried out the bizarre attack, which left police puzzling for hours over how to defuse the "elaborate, sophisticated" device.
Police say the family, reportedly one of Sydney's wealthiest, had no idea why they were targeted and Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch told reporters it was "far too early" to establish a motive.
Madeleine's father, William Pulver, is reportedly chief executive of Appen Butler Hill, a linguistic solutions company.
Mr Murdoch refused to confirm whether a ransom note had been left at the scene, saying only that police had had no contact with who ever carried out the attack.
The incident began about 2.30pm (AEST) on Wednesday when Madeleine alerted police, telling them she had been attacked and was strapped to a bomb.
They found her alone in her parents' home on Burrawong Avenue in wealthy Mosman, with the device reportedly collared around her neck.
A terrifying 10-hour ordeal ensued, during which Madeleine was not allowed to speak to her parents for operational reasons.
Instead, she was comforted by two police negotiators, who kept her talking, warm and fed, as two bomb disposal experts worked to defuse the device.
Madeleine managed very well considering the circumstances, and did a good job of keeping her emotions in check, Mr Murdoch said.
Outside, the area swarmed with police, bomb squad technicians, rescue squad officers, firies, State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers and paramedics.
Nearby mansions on the street, whose residents include horse trainer Gai Waterhouse, were evacuated and police cordons were put in place.
The devise, described by Mr Murdoch as "a hard nut to crack", took specialist bomb disposal technicians 10 hours to defuse.
During that time, advice was sought from several agencies, including the British military and the Australian Federal Police bomb centre.
It was eventually removed from Madeleine around midnight on Wednesday, still intact, and she was immediately reunited with her parents.
She has since been taken to Royal North Shore Hospital for treatment.
Mr Murdoch said police still did not know if the device was explosive.
But he said Madeleine's safe release was a "testament to the skills of our NSW bomb technicians who have worked tirelessly".
The focus is now on finding the attacker, and police say Madeleine gave them a lot of information about.
"We want to get our hands on who has done this and pretty smartly," Mr Murdoch said.
"The family have endured something no one needs to endure ... but they have held up remarkably well," he said.
Mr Murdoch said police had not been able to give out information during the incident, because they did not know who was listening or watching the news broadcasts.
"Her safety was our prime objective ... and the motivator for that," he said.
He refused to reveal further details on Madeleine's ordeal, saying these would come out "in the fullness of time".
The investigation will continue to be led by the State Crime Command's robbery and serious crime squad, which deals with extortion.
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BOMB AROUND TEENAGE GIRL'S NECK IN MOSMAN: REPORTS
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August 3, 2011, 5:46 pm
Sydney bomb emergency
Police have refused to confirm reports an 18-year-old-girl has an explosive device attached to her.
Police and emergency services have rushed to the exclusive Sydney suburb of Mosman, after being called to a home by a woman claiming there was a "suspicious device".
The 18-year-old reportedly has a bomb fastened around her neck, with a threatening note attached to it.
Acting Deputy Commissioner Mark Murdoch told the media he could not confirm or deny this report, due to the "serious, sensitive" nature of the situation.
They are currently treating the device as live and have officers working with the girl.
Initial radio reports claimed the woman was wired to the device and threatening to detonate it. It now appears she may be the victim of an extortion attempt, in an area well known for its multi-million dollar properties, including one belonging to horse trainer Gai Waterhouse.
A middle-aged man and a woman were seen with police officers outside the house, with the woman wiping tears from her eyes.
A group of teenage girls gathered outside the police cordon refused to comment to media.
The victim's father is thought to be a successful Sydney businessman and the girl had celebrated her 18th birthday just a few weeks ago.
Police and the NSW bomb squad arrived at the scene just before 3pm.
Streets surrounding Burrawong Ave have been cordoned off, as ambulance and rescue services arrived.
Some homes have been evacuated and police are urging people to stay away from the area.
Police would not elaborate on details, due to the "delicate operation" which was in progress.
Police were called to a Mosman address, with reports of a "suspicious device"
NSW Police released a statement just after 7pm AEST saying bomb squad officers remained inside the house where they were examining the device and supporting the woman.
"The process demands a high-level of skill and must be meticulous," the statement said.
"The incident is not being treated as self-harm."
If you witnessed any suspicious behaviour in the Mosman area on Wednesday afternoon, please contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000
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Mubarak on trial: Egypt, Syria, Libya and Middle East live blog
The toppled Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, is in court to answer charges of corruption and unlawful killing
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Hosni Mubarak on trial Photograph: Aljazeera
10.04am: My colleague Nour Ali (a pseudonym) sends this update on the situation in Syria, where the siege of Hama is continuing into its fourth day. She says that electricity, internet and phone lines have been cut to the whole city from late last night, according to activists and one escaped resident. Tanks and heavy gunfire started around 5am, the resident who left to a nearby city said, but getting further news is difficult. There was a second demonstration in Mohajireen, close to the presidential residence in Damascus, last night, suggesting the area may be joining the fray. The Local Co-ordination Committees, which organise and report on protests in Syria, are reporting on Hama on their Facebook page. Five hours ago they reported "very heavy gunshots and random shelling in Hama".
Nour and Ian Black wrote about yesterday's events in Syria here. Seven people were killed across the country, bringing to at least 140 the number of fatalities since Sunday, when the government launched an offensive in Hama on the eve of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
Rami Abdul-Rahman, the head of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said residents on the outskirts of Hama reported seeing lines of tanks heading towards the city early today. Blasts were heard soon afterwards.
Reuters reported that dozens were wounded when demonstrators in the western Damascus suburb of Mouadhamiya, the northeastern city of Hasaka, and the port city of Latakia came under fire after the nightly prayers yesterday.
"The United States should impose crippling sanctions in response to the murder of civilians by troops under the orders of President [Bashar al-]Assad," US senator Mark Kirk, a Republican, said in introducing legislation in Washington to target firms that invest in Syria's energy sector, purchase its oil or sell gasoline. Kirk was joined in sponsoring the bill by Democratic senator Kirsten Gillibrand and independent senator Joseph Lieberman, who said it was time to push for "a democratic transition that reflects the will of the Syrian people".
The UN security council negotiated for a second day yesterday over a western-backed draft resolution condemning Syria, before adjourning until today. Diplomats said significant differences remained over the text and it had not been decided whether the end result should be a resolution or a less weighty council statement.
9.54am: These are the details of the defendants and the charges.
Hosni Mubarak
Former president of Egypt.
Charged with corruption and the unlawful killing of protesters in the uprising against him earlier this year. He faces the death penalty if convicted.
Alaa Mubarak
Son of the ex-president.
Charged with corruption
Gamal Mubarak
Son of the ex-president.
Also charged with corruption.
Habib El-Adly
Former interior minister.
Charged with murder and attempted murder in connection with the deaths of those killed during the uprising.
Six others described as senior police officers or former interior ministry officials are also charged with murder and attempted murder in connection with the uprising. We'll have more on them when we get it.
9.44am: The judge has just tried to speed up one of the defence lawyers (not representing the Mubaraks) whose speech was dragging on. The lawyer was appealing for more defendants to be added to the trial, presumably to point the finger at others. The judge requested that the lawyer hand over his demands in writing rather than reciting them all. The lawyer said he wanted to make his points verbally but the judge said: "We do not want to waste time."
9.39am: A picture has been posted online of Gamal Mubarak checking the time inside the cage in the courtroom as a lawyer reads a long list of names
9.36am: You can watch al-Jazeera's live stream of Hosni Mubarak's trial here.
9.26am: The appearance of Mubarak behind bars on a stretcher has not won any sympathy for him from participants in the Egyptian revolution which toppled him, judging by the reaction on Twitter.
Twitter.
@mosaaberizing
Even on a bed in a cage, Mubarak's eye seem to be filled with arrogance, hands resting on chin. Unbelievable. #MubarakTrial
@lilianwagdy
mubarak is obviously faking sorry you get zero sympathy from me dude
9.15am: While the judge is going through the formalities - he is currently identifying the various lawyers in court - here are some useful links.
Simon Tisdall's profile of Hosni Mubarak for the Guardian, from February:
Mubarak's attitude to his people was by turns paternalistic, aloof and repressive. Though he claimed to love his fellow Egyptians, he did not trust them, maintaining the harsh emergency laws imposed after Sadat's assassination throughout his reign. Leading an unswervingly secular, pro-western regime, he demonised even moderate Islamist parties and made of the Muslim Brotherhood a bogeyman with which to scare the Americans.
Yet, in rare interviews he implied that he believed he held some sort of divine mandate, that he ruled through and by God's will. After he survived an attempt on his life by Gema'a Islamiya (Muslim Group) terrorists in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, in June 1995, one of up to eight attempted assassinations over 30 years, he returned to Cairo proclaiming that God had saved him through an act of divine providence, as in 1981.
Imperious, abstemious (he does not smoke or drink), and intensely private, he suggested Egyptians were lucky to have him in charge. Without him, he said repeatedly, there would be only chaos. And this claim to ensure stability was, in truth, his entire electoral manifesto.
The Washington Post has a timeline of Mubarak's rise and rule.
The New York Times has details of the security arrangements for today.
The Ministry of interior and the Army said 5,000 soldiers and officers backed by 50 tanks and armored vehicles would be deployed along the route where Mr. Mubarak and his co-defendants, including his two sons, would be transported to court as well as the court itself, a Cairo police academy. Officials said barbed wire would ring the police academy to stop intruders, and security forces would surround the facility's outer fence.
No one will be allowed inside except the 600 people with the permits, plus civil rights lawyers and a small number of the families of victims of the Mr. Mubarak's failed effort to crush the revolution.
Officials said their security plan included ways to ensure separation between the people attending the trial and the accused, to avoid any verbal or physical assaults on the defendants themselves.
9.07am: The judge begins by calling out the names of the accused. They reply in turn "I am present, your honour." Although, for some reason he didn't read out the names of the Mubaraks.
9.03am: Hosni Mubarak's two sons, Gamal and Alaa, have arrived in the metal cage in the Egyptian courtroom. A glimpse can be seen of the former dictator in a holding cell, lying on a stretcher. He appeared to be picking his nose.
The judge is opening the proceedings.
8.59am: I just spoke to the Guardian's Jack Shenker, who is in downtown Cairo. Jack covered the Egyptian revolution and was initially granted permission to be one of the few foreign journalists inside the courtroom before being denied access by the security services.
He said the headlines in Egyptian papers this morning included "Judgment day" and "The awaited day".
There's been a real sense as to whether he would actually turn up in his white prison overalls in this specially constructed metal cage which all Egyptian criminal defendants are supposed to stand in when they're in court. And the sight of this once mighty dictator so publicly humiliated and so brought down to earth is one which a huge amount of Egyptians are relishing.
Usually in important criminal cases there's an adjournment early on once the trial starts. The first day is given over to procedural matters, technical arguments by both the defence and prosecution. The lawyers usually ask for an adjournment to review the evidence and the judge will often adjourn the case for a month. Now, this judge has promised that this won't happen...Obviously any dealys will be very politically sensitive. Protesters have already complained that the ruling army generals have been delaying this trial for too long, putting off holding Mubarak to account so there's a lot of pressure to get this trial under way.
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8.29am: A picture has been posted online that is said to be the first of the former Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, outside the ambulance, arriving for his trial.
8.25am: There is a large screen outside the courtroom where supporters and opponents of the former Egyptian president are currently throwing stones at each other. The two appear to be separated by barriers.
Early in the morning, some 50 of Mubarak's supporters chanting slogans and holding portraits of the former leader gathered outside the venue, AP reports.
"We will demolish and burn the prison if they convict Mubarak," they screamed at hundreds of police and army troops backed by armoured personnel carriers.
8.19am: Welcome to Middle East Live. It is a historic day in Egypt where Hosni Mubarak, who ruled Egypt with an iron fist for 30 years, goes on trial to face charges of corruption and unlawful killing.
He was brought down by a revolution that started just over six months ago and today will appear in the dock behind the bars of a specially constructed metal cage.
An ambulance believed to be carrying Mubarak has arrived outside the court, where crowds are gathering to witness this momentous event.
We will be bringing you updates on the trial as well as news from the rest of the Middle East.
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Egypt, Syria, Libya and Middle East unrest - live updates
3 Aug 2011
guardian.co.uk
The toppled Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, is due to go on trial to face charges of corruption and unlawful killing
Hosni Mubarak could face the death penalty if found guilty of ordering the deaths of protesters. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP
8.29am: A picture has been posted online that is said to be the first of the former Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, outside the ambulance, arriving for his trial.
8.25am: There is a large screen outside the courtroom where supporters and opponents of the former Egyptian president are currently throwing stones at each other. The two appear to be separated by barriers.
Early in the morning, some 50 of Mubarak's supporters chanting slogans and holding portraits of the former leader gathered outside the venue, AP reports.
"We will demolish and burn the prison if they convict Mubarak," they screamed at hundreds of police and army troops backed by armored personnel carriers.
8.19am: Welcome to Middle East Live. It is an historic day in Egypt where Hosni Mubarak, who ruled Egypt with an iron fist for 30 years, goes on trial to face charges of corruption and unlawful killing.
He was brought down by a revolution that started just over six months ago and today will appear in the dock behind the bars of a specially constructed metal cage.
An ambulance believed to be carrying Mubarak has arrived outside the court, where crowds are gathering to witness this momentous event.
We will be bringing you updates on the trial as well as news from the rest of the Middle East.
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Comments in chronological order (Total 5 comments)
BrownMoses
3 August 2011 8:29AM
There's various pictures being posted on Twitter:
A TV image of Mubarak ambulance arriving at court:
http://yfrog.com/h3y3anij
A shot of a crowd watching the trial on a big screen http://twitpic.com/607ml4
Shots from inside the court room, from Egyptian TV
http://yfrog.com/hs9xcusj
http://yfrog.com/hsz1exij
http://yfrog.com/kkc4rafj
A picture of apparent clashes:
http://twitpic.com/607qal
BrownMoses
3 August 2011 8:35AM
With regards to Libya here's a few articles from the last 12 hours:
Libya rebels 'get message' on rights: US envoy
The US representative in Libya's rebel bastion of Benghazi voiced confidence Tuesday that the insurgents would work to prevent human rights abuses and insisted they were making progress.
Envoy Chris Stevens said he found to be "credible" a Human Rights Watch report last month that documented looting, arson and abuse of civilians as the rebels fight strongman Moamer Kadhafi.
Stevens said he discussed the allegations with the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC) and found they had an "extra political motivation" to prevent future human rights abuses.
Slain Libyan commander's tribe warns rebels over probe
The powerful tribe of the Libyan rebels' slain military commander vowed on Tuesday to find justice themselves for his suspicious killing last week if rebel leaders failed to investigate it fully.
General Abdel Fattah Younes's death, apparently while in the custody of fellow rebels bringing him back from the front line for unspecified questioning, raised fears of deep divisions in the rebel camp, something the tribal ultimatum only underlined.
"The way he was killed looks like a betrayal, so until now we are trying to calm and control the youth of the tribe, but we don't know what could happen," one of Younes's sons told foreign reporters when asked if rifts could turn violent.
Gaddafi hit list revealed
Libyan rebels have uncovered a hit list with the names and addresses of about 60 of their leaders, during an operation to smoke out a suspected pro-Gaddafi sleeper cell, officials told AFP on Tuesday.
Files with sensitive information about key members of the rebels' political and military leadership were found at the headquarters of a Benghazi-based brigade - now believed to have been secretly allied to Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
"There were around 60 people [on the list]," deputy interior minister Mustafa al-Sagazly told AFP, including "members of the [National Transitional Council], the military council, the cabinet of the NTC executive."
BrownMoses
3 August 2011 8:41AM
Here's another picture from Egypt
@Shaimaakhalil : riot police clashing with protestors and they shout "selmeya selmeya"
Another picture from @Shaimaakhalil with a caption in Arabic.
And from Libya, and Al Jazeera report on the aftermath of Gaddafi's counterattack on the rebels in Zlitan.
LordThanos
3 August 2011 8:42AM
"extra political motivation" to prevent future human rights abuses.
I bet the message from the US was more like - come on guys be a bit more undercover with your torture - or at least transport people to foreign soil to do it?!
Libyan rebels have uncovered a hit list with the names and addresses of about 60 of their leaders, during an operation to smoke out a suspected pro-Gaddafi sleeper cell, officials told AFP on Tuesday.
Files with sensitive information about key members of the rebels' political and military leadership were found at the headquarters of a Benghazi-based brigade - now believed to have been secretly allied to Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
"There were around 60 people [on the list]," deputy interior minister Mustafa al-Sagazly told AFP, including "members of the [National Transitional Council], the military council, the cabinet of the NTC executive."
I'm still not convinced these really are 'sleeper Gaddafi agents' if they are then it shows the incredible loyalty some of his supporters still possess.
My own belief is that this is about tribal rivalries and the TNC are putting the 'Gaddafi henchmen' spin on it
concernededucator
3 August 2011 8:42AM
Re: Syria
Update from Aleppo
Since Sunday there have been 3 or 4 protests of between 100 – 200 daily as well as numerous small groups of less than 50, after the evening prayers, all over the city. Most disperse quickly before the arrival of the security forces.
Monday in Hamdaniyeh area there were 500 – 700 protesters who chased off the government Shabbiha. One of the reasons people have been slow to protest in larger numbers in Aleppo is due to the savage beatings from these thugs. In the last week some clans have offered to protect the protesters.
Yesterday in Maisaloun / Midan area over 1000 protested.
In Myasar area 500 - 700 protestors exited the Zein al Abdine mosque and were confronted by around 300 Shabbiha and security forces. Even so they started chanting their support for Hama. Tear gas and a few bullets fired into the air finally dispersed the crowd.
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Khi bọn cầm quyền độc tài bị dân chúng đồng đứng lên LẬT ĐỔ thì cũng là lúc bọn cầm quyền độc tài bạo ác đó phải đối diện với TỘI ÁC đã làm, là lúc chúng phải nhìn lại những bàn tay của chúng đã từng nhúng đầy MÁU của những người dân vô tội bị bóc lột tận xương tủy, bị hành hạ đọa đày và bị tước đọat QUYỀN LÀM NGƯỜI, bị tước đọat QUYỀN SỐNG.
Xin được ngưỡng phục những người dân Tunisia, Ai Cập, Syria, Libya .. ở Bắc Phi và Trung Đông đã đứng lên LẬT ĐỔ bạo quyền độc tài giành lại QUYỀN LÀM NGƯỜI cho chính mình và quyền được XỬ TỘI những tên độc tài bạo ác .
Ngày tàn của những tên độc tài hầu hết đều Ô NHỤC như nhau . Hosni Mubarak cũng không ngọai lệ .
Còn nữa, khi quốc dân VN đồng đứng lên LẬT ĐỔ bè lũ Việt gian phản quốc cướp nước diệt chủng bán nước độc tài độc đảng cộng sản VN, thì lũ thổ phỉ giết dân bán nước csVN này cũng không ngọai lệ.
Những gì lũ Việt gian csVN CƯỚP của dân tộc VN sẽ phải trả lại cho dân tộc VN .
Lũ súc sinh csVN rồi cũng phải đối diện với TỘI ÁC chúng đã làm với dân tộc VN.
Có vay tất phải có trả vậy .
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Norway attacks: Anders Behring Breivik demands to be examined by Japanese specialists
Anders Behring Breivik has presented a long list of "unrealistic" demands to his lawyer, including that his mental condition be investigated by Japanese specialists.
Anders Behring Breivik has also demanded complete political reform, in which he wants to be assigned a key role Photo: JEFF GILBERT
4:14PM BST 02 Aug 2011
The Telegraph
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The lawyer for the confessed killer in Norway's twin terror attacks that claimed 77 lives said his client has two lists of demands.
One consists of requests common among inmates such as for cigarettes and civilian clothing. The other is "unrealistic, far, far from the real world and shows he doesn't know how society works," Mr Lippestad said.
Breivik, 32, links this second list to his willingness to share information about two other alleged terrorist cells that he has mentioned during questioning.
"They are completely impossible to fulfil," Mr Lippestad said, adding that although Breivik has agreed to be examined by local psychiatrists, he also wants to be investigated by Japanese specialists.
"He claims the Japanese understand the idea and values of honour and that a Japanese (specialist) would understand him a lot better than any European would."
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Mr Lippestad said his client has also demanded complete political reform, in which he wants to be assigned a key role.
"His demands here includes the complete overthrowing of both the Norwegian and European societies," he said, noting it includes the resignation of the Norwegian government but declined to give further details. "But it shows that he doesn't understand the situation he's in."
The July 22 bombing in Norway's government quarter in Oslo killed eight people and the shooting massacre at an annual summer retreat on Utoya island held by the Labour Party's youth wing claimed an additional 69 lives.
Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister, yesterday attended the Muslim funeral of Somali-Norwegian 18-year-old Mona Abdinur who was killed on Utoya island.
"Mona was our sunshine, is what her friends and family have said. They now have to continue their road ahead without Mona. In their pain, I want to say, they are not alone," the prime minister said.
"There are many of us who are crying with them. (You are) a small family, but you are part of the big Norwegian family."
The leader of Norway's right-wing Progress Party, Siv Jensen, said former party member Breivik's anti-Muslim views are "perversely unique" and not in any way linked to her party.
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nomanor
47 minutes ago Recommended by 1 person
Stop calling him mad, or insane, or that he requires psychiatric treatment ... he's a terrorist, a 'holy-warrior', fighting in his Crusade ... no different from those currently held in Guantanamo ... he doesn't deserve a lawyer, or cigarettes, or civilian clothes ... although he does deserve treatment as outlined in the Geneva Conventions.
Anders Breivik is just playing games, stop indulging him and start interrogating him like the terrorist that he is. Frankly, the fact that he surrendered peacefully after being surrounded by law enforcement makes him a lot less crazy than those fanatics who strap bombs onto themselves and blow up buses in London, or hijacks planes to fly into office buildings.
So instead of calling him insane and crazy .. call him what he is: a rational Christianist terrorist, or Crusader if you want to use the old term.
Social Trap
Today 07:02 PM Recommended by 1 person
But why are the authorities distributing this information? This is not the way the legal system should operate.
cockneywideboy
Today 06:58 PM Recommended by 1 person
As reported elsewhere, he's in line for 'up to' 21 years in prison.
21 Years??????
I know the Scandinavian countries are 'soft' societies, but this is ridiculous. Surely?
________ dan
33 minutes ago Recommended by 1 person
You think he would get longer in this country?
________________ cockneywideboy
26 minutes ago
probably not
________ otts
50 minutes agoHe will not get 21 year prison, he will get what's galled 21 years detention. That means at least 21 years, after which the case will be reviewed by a judge. If the judge the deems it likely that he will reoffend (which lets face it, they will deem it to be) he will stay in prison. Chances are he will never leave prison.
Also, he will not stayin the cushy, low security prison reported in DT the other day, but at Ila High Secruity Prison which used to be. Concenteation camp during the war. Ie not a soft touch.
billyblagg
Today 06:13 PM Recommended by 6 people
This is reminicent of black adder IV's pencils up the nose / underpants on his head, to try and convince the generals he was mad and should be sent home. Its a deliberate, and clear attempt to paint himself as a mad man. If he was clear enough of mind to plan, and carry out, mass murder, then being a pyschopathic madman (which he clearly is), carries no weight.
They should put him infront of a firing squad along with any Al Quieda thugs not yet off-ed, and let them all die together ... none of them are anything other than murders.
________ otts
46 minutes ago
I think a keel-hauling woul be a good way to punish him. In the centre of Oslo harbour, maybe. And he could wear a jesters outfit, just tounderline what a muppet he is.
kingoftelegraph
Today 05:58 PM Recommended by 1 person
Didn't he demand for €3,000 a night escort every month?????
Just shot this b--tard as he did.
conan1975
Today 05:50 PM Recommended by 17 people
he is mad... no doubt about it.. but it's such a shame that when a unlistening squeeze happens to the population year on year it makes it fit to burst in the far extemes.. it's easy to point with horror at the burst, or you can realise there is something bad squeezing everything.. it makes me think of Derrick Bird, he was mad but he was terrified of the inland revenue.. and their arrogant cruelty is commonplace.. I don't think that the mad people aren't mad but I do think that they can be the canaries of things that are wrong
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Các anh chị nghĩ gì khi có nhiều người gọi tên khủng bố sát nhân Anders Behring Breivik là "mad", "insane and crazy" ...?
Trên thế giới từ xưa tới nay, những hành động tàn sát đồng loại có chủ trương, có kế họach lâu dài, với mục tiêu "giết người" rõ ràng .. có thật sự từ những bộ óc "điên rồ" không hay phát sinh từ những sự tàn bạo dã man phi nhân tính ??
Những kẻ gây TỘI ÁC, những kẻ làm TỘI ÁC có nên được đối xử "nhân đạo" ???
Những kẻ gây TỘI ÁC, những kẻ làm TỘI ÁC phải được xử thế nào để những kẻ gây TỘI ÁC, những kẻ làm TỘI ÁC này không còn cơ hội để có thể tiếp tục gây TỘI ÁC, làm TỘI ÁC nữa ???
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Cộng con cộng cái đái đầu tông
Cướp nước giết dân quân phản quốc
Buôn nòi bán giống lũ vong nô
Công hàm bán nước chưa khô
Việt gian cộng sản tội đồ Sử ghi
Bán lãnh hải tàu ô đổi đạn
Giết anh em cướp nước lên ngôi
Giặc hồ cộng đảng nô tài
Đầy tớ tàu cộng tôi đòi nga sô
Cộng đảng rước voi giày mả tổ
Ngọai lai chủ thuyết diệt dân Nam
Tội đồ dân tộc ngàn năm
Rêu rao "cách mạng" NHỤC thâm mặt dày
Lũ súc sinh vô loài nghiệt chủng
Nguyện làm thân khuyển mã cho tàu
Lãnh thổ chúng bán chia nhau
Sống trên xương máu dân nghèo Việt Nam
Chưa đủ béo chúng đeo "đĩ điếm"
Liếm "côn đồ" lộ diện ma cô
Xuống hàng chó ngựa cộng nô
Đứng đầu hồ tặc nhục mồ thiên thu
Nhắm mắt u mê ca hợp giải
Cộng con cộng cái đái đầu tông
hồ quốc tặc vẫn "ghi công"
đội đảng bán nước NHỤC ông NHỤC bà
Đã đến lúc phơi bày SỰ THẬT
Lũ gian tà bán nước tranh ngai
Giặc hồ cộng đảng còn cai
"Chống tàu xâm lược" NHỤC tài Ô mưu
"Học giả" "sĩ phu" mồm vướng bã
"Danh gia" "trí thức" bám "hồ ân"
Biết đảng bán nước đã rành
Vẫn phải ngậm miệng miếng tanh một đời
"Trí" nào nước mất không hay
"Sĩ" nào đội giặc rước voi giày mồ ?
Đội thằng bán nước trên đầu
"Chống tàu xâm lược" NHỤC cầu Ô cung .
Trăm năm bia đá thì mòn
Ngàn năm bia miệng vẫn còn trơ trơ .
*** conbenho ghi vội vài cảm nghĩ khi nghe con cái của tên giặc già cù huy cận "hảnh diện", "tự hào" về nguồn gốc theo giặc, làm giặc giết dân BÁN NƯỚC, hủy diệt nòi giống, đội tên quốc tặc hồ chí minh lên đầu trong ngày diễn ra cái gọi là "phiên xử phúc thẩm" cù huy hà vũ, một trò hề của bè lũ Việt gian phản quốc cướp nước diệt chủng bán nước đảng cộng sản VN.
Đau lòng khi nhiều người dân VN vẫn chưa đủ NHỤC, vẫn còn u mê ám chướng vỗ tay ca tụng một cách trơ trẽn, xuẩn ngốc, mê muội.
(Soi Dòng Sông Chữ Thấy Mù Tâm .. )
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Libya rebels take Zlitan as RAF clears way after two-month struggle
Bombing campaign destroys Gaddafi tanks, rocket launchers, ammunition dumps and command centres
Chris Stephen in Misrata and Richard Norton-Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Monday 1 August 2011 20.19 BST
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Opposition fighters said the town, which they have struggled to capture for eight weeks, was quiet on Monday, with no sign of government troops. Photograph: Reuters
Libyan rebels have entered the town of Zlitan after a weekend of heavy fighting in which Nato escalated its bombing campaign in the runup to the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
RAF planes dropped 16 Paveway laser-guided bombs in two days around the town, destroying government tanks, rocket launchers, ammunition dumps and command centres, and clearing a path for the rebels.
The Ministry of Defence said RAF jets also attacked a railway construction site at Bani Walid, south-west of Zlitan, commandeered for use as a military fuel distribution facility.
Opposition fighters said the town, which they have struggled to capture for eight weeks, was quiet on Monday, with no sign of government troops. We are in the town centre and we have the hospital," said rebel fighter Yunus Al-Haq. "It's good for the spirit."
But securing the town for the opposition depends on clearing one final obstacle – agreement from the elders of the town's Fowater tribe that Misratan fighters can be "invited" to occupy Zlitan.
After that, rebel commanders expect government forces to pull back to Al Khums, 22 miles to the west. Despite the capture of tanks and heavy artillery over the weekend, rebel units are too lightly armed to contemplate a headlong rush to Tripoli. They have evolved a strategy of pressing against government lines, forcing Muammar Gaddafi to deploy forces in concentrations that provide inviting targets for Nato.
Nato bombing returns show that 54 military targets around Zlitan were destroyed since 25 July, one of the heaviest bombing concentrations of the war. The bombing appears to have caused government lines to crumble over the week, with rebels reporting that loyalist troops offered little resistance to their advance. Forty government troops gave themselves up on Sunday in the biggest one-day surrender of the war.
RAF Tornado and Typhoon aircraft were particularly active over the past few days, bombing of three satellite dishes used by Libyan state television. "This strike was an attempt to disrupt the broadcast of Gaddafi's murderous rhetoric, which has repeatedly sought to incite violence against fellow Libyans," said the chief military spokesman at the Ministry of Defence, Major General Nick Pope.
But British defence officials said the Nato campaign was likely to be scaled down during Ramadan, which started on Monday. They suggested that targets in Tripoli in particular would be avoided.
The fall of Zlitan also poses problems for Gaddafi in finding new troops to hold the expanding front line around Misrata without drawing off other forces needed on the eastern front and in the Nafusa mountains to the west. Both fronts were reportedly quiet on Monday, the eastern front still disrupted by confusion caused by Thursday's murder of army commander Abdul Fatah Youness and the Nafusa brigades massing for an attack on the town of Tiji, 150 miles south west of Tripoli. The onset of Ramadan saw Misrata go into semi-hibernation, and residents are hoping the capture of Zlitan will finally put Gaddafi's rockets out of range of a city that has been under bombardment since March.
France announced on Monday that it was releasing $259m (£159.14m) in frozen Libyan funds to the opposition and allowing the rebels' new ambassador to use the country's mothballed embassy in Paris.
The French foreign ministry said the money frozen in French banks must be used for humanitarian purposes, in accordance with European law.
The announcement came after the foreign finister, Alain Juppe, met Mansour Seyf al-Nasr, the Libyan opposition's ambassador to Paris.
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Norway shootings: live
Live coverage from Norway as police question Anders Breivik for a second time and the first funerals and memorial services are held for the 77 people killed.
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Norwegian prime minister and leader of the Labour Party, Jens Stoltenberg, (C) and others hold flowers at a memorial gathering in Oslo on July 29, 2011 Photo: AFP
By Amy Willis
1:00PM BST 29 Jul 2011
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• Death toll raised to 77 as first funerals for victims held
• PM calls massacre a day when Norway was "struck by evil"
• Two psychiatrists appointed to assess Breivik's mental health
• Breivik questioned for second time
• Police say all dead have now been identified
• British blogger admits he 'may be Breivik's inspiration'
• Car bomb was parked just feet from PM's office
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19.00 That is all for today. For further coverage of the Norwegian massacre, see our Norway page.
18.30 A majority of Dutch believe that Geert Wilders, the anti-immigration politician much admired by Norway's mass murderer, does not need to tone down his inflammatory anti-Islamic comments, a poll has showed.
Polling firm Maurice de Hond said that 52 percent of those surveyed thought Mr Wilders did not need to moderate his stance on the supposed "Islamisation of Europe" in the wake of the Norway killings, while 44 percent said Mr Wilders should tone it down.
Mr Wilders has been criticised for speaking out against Islam and immigration, with comments comparing Islam to Nazism. Last month, a Dutch court acquitted Mr Wilders of inciting hatred of Muslims.
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Mr Wilders has repeatedly denounced Breivik and his actions in the week since the July 22 attack.
17.30 BREAKING The death toll has been lifted to 77 after police release more names of victims.
Henning Holtaas, a police attorney, said the unidentified victim died at a hospital of wounds he suffered during the shooting rampage on Utoya island.
16.25 The Norwegian flag also flew at half mast today at the maximum security prison where Breivik is being held.
15.50 Police have said Norway's security service will issue a new evaluation of the threat posed by extremists. Since the massacre, questions have persisted about whether authorities had underestimated extremist dangers in Norway.
15.20 The Socialist group in the European Parliament and a Roma rights group have called on the ruling party in Romania to expel a lawmaker who pinned blame for the Norway attacks on EU leaders.
The Romanian MP, who in the past took anti-Roma stands and pleaded for the restoration of the death penalty, wrote that "it is not (Anders Behring) Breivik that perpetrated the attack but the current EU leaders."
Citing contradictory statements on immigration and multiculturalism in such countries as Germany and France, he said that political leaders are turning Europe into a "powder keg". He said:
In this chaos, it is surprising that just one European has pushed the trigger to voice frustration at the European politicians' indifference and hypocrisy in the face of Islamisation and illegal immigration
15.00 Police are now holding a press conference in Norway. The spokesperson is keen to make a statement on the response time of the police arriving at Utoya.
The local district was alarmed when they got the first call. Cars were sent to the island straight away and local police were sent straight away.
14.38 The Norwegian Labour Party has had a surge of support following the twin attacks last Friday; with their polls leaping ahead.
14.00 Norwegian tabloid VG is running a story about claims that Breivik received military training in Belarus. They also say a Norwegian company has confirmed selling weapons to the 32 year-old. Here is a snippet of the article using Google translate.
QUOTE: Anders Behring Breivik could have received military training at a secret paramilitary base in Belarus, according to a Belarusian opposition politician.
Breivik visited Belarus several times. This spring, as part of preparations for the double attack, he visited Minsk, where he participated in training at a secret paramilitary base, said Mikhail Resjetnikov, leader of the opposition Patriot Party, told the newspaper.
According to Resjetnikov, Breivik may have been involved in "sabotage-terrorist exercises" under the direction of a former officer in the security services in Belarus. He could have used a false passport to enter the country.
Belarus' KGB gave him the code name Viking. Rumour has it that he also had a girlfriend in Belarus, said Resjetnikov.
13.45 Around the world people on Twitter have also been taking part in a minute's silence. The hashtag #amomentofsilence is now trending.
13.10 A bit more on prime minister Jens Stoltenberg's speech at the memorial service where he said the attacks were an "attack on our democracy" and it was a day when Norway was "struck by evil".
The prime minister also led a minute's silence before delivering his speech to hundreds of members of the Labour Party.
Roses were held up at the service in tribute to the victims as they are the Labour Party emblem.
QUOTE: The bullets hit our young, but they also struck an entire nation.
An attack against political engagement is an attack on our democracy
Today, it is exactly one week since Norway was struck by evil
Now, the time has come to commemmorate those who died
13.00 Our man on the Telegraph video desk Gregg Morgan has sent over the following clip of a survivor saying he wants to go back to Utoya to "make peace".
12.55 Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg said some strong words during his speech at the memorial service. He started by saying the service marked "one week since Norway was hit by evil".
12.45 A picture of Breivik as a 10 year-old has emerged. In his killing manifesto Breivik claimed he was a member of the Knights Templar, so it is rather chilling to see him dressed as a knight in this childhood photo.
Anders Behring Breivik as a Child in a School Play dressed as a knight REX FEATURES
12.35 We are now hearing that Norwegian prosecutors have appointed two psychiatrists to assess the mental health of Breivik after the 32-year-old gunman was questioned by investigators for a second time this morning.
The experts will determine if he is criminally responsible and deliver their report "by November 1," prosecutor Paal-Fredrik Hjort Kraby said.
12.30 Here is a picture of the memorial service. Prime minister Jens Stoltenberg appears at the centre of the photo.
Norwegian prime minister and leader of the Labour Party, Jens Stoltenberg, (C) and others hold flowers at a memorial gathering in Oslo on July 29, 2011 AFP
12.25 Police have said they have now identified all the bodies from the massacre. The victims' names are still being released.
12.15 Some really moving scenes now of one of the memorial services. Eskil Pedersen, the leader of the Youth Labour Party who survived the attacks on Utoya, is speaking on the stage. Dozens of red flowers flank him on either side of the lecturn - I think they are roses.
QUOTE: It was only three months ago that our representatives were on this stage speaking for the Labour Party and today I am here again to honour their memories. It has been a difficult nights and days but your support has made it easier. Let me express my edeepest gratitude, thank you to the whole of the country and the countries who shared our grief.
12.15 We're now getting some comments from the mayor of Nesodden Christian Holm who is among the mourners.
We have to stand united and carry their dreams forward
12.05 The Norwegian flag is flying at half mast while the nation pays homage to the dead today.
12.00 There are two memorial services today, one at a mosque and the other held by Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg.
11.45 The Times's James Bone has interviewed Breivik's childhood best friend; a Muslim called Faisal Rafique. Mr Rafique, who runs a newsagent's in a propserous Oslo suburb, hasn't spoken to his old friend in 10 years but said he "couldn't imagine he would do that". The two were friends until Breivik's family moved away. They attended the same primary school and lived on the same housing estate in West Oslo.
In Breivik's manifesto he refers to Mr Rafique, now 30, and claimed he was an influence for his anti-Muslim thoughts.
He said: "Like most Norwegian Pakistanis he felt really torn between the Norwegian community and the Pakastani community.
"However, I was wrong when assuming that he would chose to follow my path and the Norwegian society."
11.15 English Defence League member Paul Ray, who calls himself "Lionheart" in his blog, has again admitted that he may have been Breivik's inspiration and could have unknowingly been the killer's mentor. Paul Ray fled to Malta since the attacks in fear of being arrested for inciting racial hatred.
Duncan Gardham also reveals that Mr Ray played host to Johnny "Mad Dog" Adair and he is friends with Nick Greger, a German known as "Nazi Nick" who describes himself as a convicted terrorist and former neo-Nazi leader.
10.55 Breivik used two cars to carry out the twin attacks: a Volkswagen Crafter van to carry the bomb and a Fiat Doblo minivan to make his getaway, reports John Bingham.
Last week, Brevik hired a Volkswagen Crafter van and a Fiat Doblo minivan, planning to use the VW to carry the bomb and the Fiat as his getaway vehicle.
According to sources, a roadside sensor at Ulven on the east side of Oslo registered the VW van passing into the city at 10pm on Wednesday, July 20. It is not known where it was parked.
The bomber took a train back to Rena, the village near his farmhouse, just after 1pm the next day and caught a taxi back to his home. The taxi driver remembers laughing and joking with him. At 11pm that night, the grey Fiat hired by the 32-year-old far-Right extremist was registered driving into Oslo to the east.
At 11am the next day, the Fiat was captured by a sensor at Skoyen, in west Oslo, a few minutes from the apartment of Breivik's mother, driving into the centre. Four hours later, the VW passed the same spot. It was parked at the entrance to the prime minister's office by 3.20pm, just two minutes before the bomb went off.
CCTV is said to show Breivik walking straight from the VW and getting into a car behind Marguerite Church.
10.30 We've just got the pictures of Breivik being transported in an armoured black Mercedes four-wheel drive. The side windows were covered but Breivik is still visible from the front.
Anders Behring Breivik (back seat) is taken by a police vehicle from Ila prison on July 29, 2011 and brought to the main police station in Oslo for further questioning AFP
Norwegian gunman Anders Behring Breivik (centre) sits in a police vehicle as he is escorted from Ila prison in Baerum REUTERS
9.54 Breivik has been transported to Oslo police headquarters for interrogation.
He was driven from Ila high security prison, where he is in solitary confinement, in an armoured car.
The self-confessed killer will face questions on "information received over the last few days - which is a lot", according to a spokesman.
9.53 Horrible to think that some young people will spend the next week going to dozens of funerals of their friends.
9.49 The first funerals for victims of the twin attacks will take place today, exactly a week after the rampage.
Bano Rashid, an 18-year-old woman originally from Kurdistan, will will be buried in Nesodden, near Oslo, at 1pm (noon BST). The funeral will be attended by Norway's Foreign Minister, Jonas Gahr Stoere.
Bano Rashid
Ismail Haji Ahmed, 19, will be buried at Hamar, in Norway's south-west, an hour later.
8.59 Richard Alleyne and John Bingham have the amazing story of Line Nersnaes, a senior civil servant, who had a miraculous escape after the bomb blast blew a 12-inch shard of wood through her skull.
Line Nersnaes, 50, a senior legal adviser for the Norwegian government, was sitting at her desk on the 11th floor when the car bomb went off under the building.
The force of the explosion shattered the wooden window sending a giant splinter flying through her chin and up through her skull.
Against all odds, the spike missed her brain and any vital organs and she only realised she had been hurt when she arrived on street level and noticed her head was hurting.
She was taken to hospital and after an operation to remove the splinter was back at work five days later.
8.58 Police released a further 24 victims' names last night bringing the number of confirmed dead to 41. The full victims list is here with their age when they were killed.
8.57 A founding member of the English Defence League on Thursday admitted for the first time that he may have been the inspiration behind Breivik's anti Muslim ideology. Duncan Gardham and James Orr report:
Paul Ray, a British blogger who calls himself “Lionheart” revealed that his opinions could have influenced Breivik’s Islamophobic diatribe, which the killer published online hours before he massacred 76 people.
Speaking from Malta, where he has fled fearing arrest for inciting racial hatred, Mr Ray conceded that he had been in direct contact with the 32-year-old gunman online.
In his manifesto Breivik described a character very similar to Mr Ray as a mentor, claiming to have met him at an event in London in 2002.
Mr Ray said on Thursday: “I am being implicated as his mentor. I definitely could have been his inspiration.
“It looks like that. He has given me a platform and a profile. But what he did was pure evil. I could never use what he has done to further my own beliefs.”
8.56 Anders Behring Breivik parked the van carrying a half-ton bomb a few feet from the foyer of the Norwegian prime minister's office – the equivalent of abandoning a vehicle on the steps of 10 Downing Street. John Bingham and Richard Alleyne report:
One of the first officers to arrive on the island of Utoya, described the moment the mass murderer was arrested, saying that Breivik put up no resistance.
Haavard Gaasbakk said the 32-year-old had abandoned his weapons and was standing waiting for them as they ran through the woods to apprehend him following a rampage that claimed the lives of at least 68 people.
However, Anders Snortheimsmoen, the commander of the Norwegian Delta team of special counter-terror police, admitted that his officers nearly shot Breivik dead, despite his passive stance, because they feared he was wearing an explosive belt. The decision was made by a "very narrow margin," he said
8.55 BST (9.55 Norway) Good morning and welcome back to our live blog, bringing you all the latest developments from the tragedy in Norway.
Previous coverage
Norway terrorist attacks: July 28
Norway terrorist attacks: July 27
Norway terrorist attacks: July 26
Norway terrorist attacks: July 25
Norway terrorist attacks: July 24
Norway terrorist attacks: July 23
Oslo explosion: July 22
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AWoLsco
07/31/2011 10:33 PM Recommended by 1 person
Some interesting comment from the Independent, which unfortunately does not welcome comments from the General public.....unlike the Telegraph(not a paragon of virtue as it deletes and modifies comments, frequently but inconsistently)
"Critics point out that in the aftermath of the
humiliation inflicted on the country by the Nazi invasion and the
imposition of a fascist puppet government during the Second World War,
Norway has religiously adhered to an almost stifling form of consensus
politics in which the main parties tend to agree on everything. The upshot is a generous welfare state, excellent
schooling, high wages, high taxes and prices and considerable social
uniformity. Immigration, which has hit the 20 per cent mark in Oslo and
is largely confined to the city's eastern districts, may be high by
Norwegian standards but is insignificant when compared to areas in
Britain or other parts of continental Europe.
Political
commentators like Norway's Kjetil Kollsrud say that consensus politics
conducted Norwegian-style have resulted in a form of extreme
egalitarianism. "The fact is that in a system like this there is simply
not a great deal of room for people who don't fit it," he told The
Independent. Anders Breivik was clearly one of those who didn't."
________ lightf00t
Today 01:41 AM
"has religiously adhered to an almost stifling form of consensus
politics in which the main parties tend to agree on everything."
Sounds like Britain to me.
________________ AWoLsco
Today 02:41 AM Recommended by 2 people
Yes indeed. We're following the Norwegians....all too closely, but there is an awakening of sorts in the form of the EDL ,which is emotional, misdirected and unthinking, primitive even.
Something more organised and substantial is necessary.
How and when that will come to pass I do not know.
But all good Englishmen(the Scots have their own solution) should take comfort in the fact that if they really desire the demise of any government, it is easy to effect.
Remember the petrol strike under Blair.
That was people power.
You can take them out any time you so desire.
But you have to desire it.....and be utterly resolute, united and supportive of one another, irrespective of class and background.
In short you have to think of who you are, what you are, and what you are about.
AWoLsco
07/31/2011 03:26 PM Recommended by 2 people
Ode to Noroway, to Noroway, to Noroway o'er the faem
The foreign red rose
is their favourite flower,
for it shows to all who is in power,
A land of fjord and mountain,
a land of dupes and dummies,
of little boys and girls, so tame,
in mind, still with their mummies.
The land is red and viking, only by reputation,
Did you ever behold such a parcel of rogues
in a well-endowed little nation?
There is little strife,
but corruption is rife,
Most seem contented,
but some are demented
A curious place for sure,
Some go there for riches,
I think I'd rather be poor.
mattbayleaf
07/31/2011 12:41 PM Recommended by 6 people
What Anders Breivik did was tragic and wrong because he killed innocent people but this does not mean that there is not a problem with Labour, migration, and multiculturalism in Norway and England and the rest of Europe. He could be suffering from a narcissistic personality disorder and form of autism given the lack of empathy for the victims, possibly a variant of Savant syndrome. It may not be what you want to hear, but the majority of the electorate of England have voted no to further migration at two general elections and have rejected the ideology of multiculturalism. This does not mean abandoning the idea of having respect for diversity. It means that the levels of migration should be reduced in a significant way. We're supposed to be living in a democracy. The voice of the people should be heard on the issue. The most effective way to counter terrorism from militant Islamic extremists and Fascist groups is to reduce the levels of migration in a significant way. This should have happened years ago. It was a mistake to drag the wooden horse into the city.
escapedroger
07/30/2011 11:05 PM Recommended by 3 people
I just read the sensational story on DT about the use of UK suppliers by the Norwegian murderer, I suppose you hope the supplier of the drill will be arrested under British anti-terror legislation.
________ benjani
07/31/2011 03:03 AM Recommended by 3 people
becoming more apparent by the day that uk sis were involved, and that anders was a usefull idiot.
national conservatism has been the main target .
reccruited by a new knights templar?
more like recruited by mi6.
discredit right wing groups across E.U just as they start to gain ground.
lepen major ontender for french presidency? nuff sais!
kevinsmith
07/30/2011 09:26 PM Recommended by 5 people
It seems you're not allowed to suggest any link to Labour's immigration policy.
kevinsmith
07/30/2011 05:17 PM Recommended by 4 people
should have been averted.
Mark Anthony
07/30/2011 11:57 AM Recommended by 3 people
http://www.tellthechildrenthet...
________ lightf00t
07/30/2011 01:49 PM Recommended by 9 people
Interesting site.
I've always wondered why ragheads and lefties ally so closely with each other. Now I know. It's because they both want to take over the world.
The problem for the Left is, what are they going to do when there are more muzzies than them? Muslims aren't interested in communism or capitalism, they just want everyone to be muslim.
And if they don't tow the line...
kej
07/30/2011 10:01 AM Recommended by 2 people
Any news on the accomplice. Or will it get "disappeared" like the news story about the two Pakistani men shot dead by the anti-terror squad at Canary Warf on the day of the london bombings, after the bombs went off?
Operational mishap?
DT deleted the first paragraph of this post when I posted it yesterday so all that is left is "Operational mishap". Isn't that ironic?
cartimandua
07/30/2011 06:40 AM
In China they had a number of attacks on nurseries. Infants are celebrities in China. Norway made celebrities of those children and then they failed to protect them from an envious attack.
orwashepushed
07/29/2011 11:28 PM Recommended by 6 people
Nationalism to a muslim economic migrant is their greatest fear. It must be undermined at any price. Predominantly it is a slow eroding cancer drawn out on a day to day basis. They appear to have their 'heroes' in the form of blockheaded, brainwashed clowns with a caveman mentality to whom life and indeed their own is cheap. The muslim propergander machine are a relentless group of "professional victims" who prey on any form of national identity with orchestrated responses designed to trigger the stoneaged brains of their fanatical masses... What they are seeing here in the form of Breivik is their counterpart in the mirror although I'd doubt a 'cartoon' would have incensed him... or maybe it did.
denny
07/29/2011 11:00 PM Recommended by 5 people
The action of Breivik is an evil one. One should learn from it not to use violence against others even if he has a reason to do so. Breivik thought he had a reason and he used powerful weapons against his victims who had no chance against him. We all know that Breivik is an evil.
But on a large scale there are governments acting the same way - Russia attacking Afghanistan in 1980, America attacking Iraq in 2003 where 1 million mostly innocent people were killed - because the attackers thought they had a reason. Powers can defend their actions by presenting their reasons in media in a powerful way. But any reason can only be a reason of someone's (sick) mind. Everybody can surely find more examples where Breivik way is used to implement their reasons.
If we do not take a leason from this, we will keep killing each other - for a reason.
________ Benedict Carter
07/29/2011 11:06 PM Recommended by 9 people
Eh? 5 million? Which lying anti-US rag did you lift that one from?
As to "evil" ....
His ACT (taking life) was evil in moral terms, of course. That does not change even if he was seeking through that act a greater good. An evil act is always an evil act and cannot be made good.
HOWEVER in this resides yet another sin of the cultural Marxists running our poor Europe: they will increasingly force ordinarily decent and law-abiding folk to commit evil acts for their very survival.
The true evil is of these 1970's/80's Marxist student politicians, including Stoltenberg there in Norway, and closer to home our very own Bliar and Gordoom McScum, along with all their cohorts.
A lamp-post isn't good enough for them.
albemarle
07/29/2011 10:55 PM Recommended by 12 people
The two Norwegian commenters on this thread mentioned Groruddalen, Norway in their exchange and, on googling it, I found this article translated into English from Aftenposten, a major Norwegian newspaper on Gates of Vienna which deals with the issue of Islamisation of Europe:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot....
It's an interview with a Norwegian kindergarten teacher who is 'migrating' with his family from Groruddalen where he lived all his life and he speaks of the problems with the Moslems there: few speak the language, "We Norwegians must adjust to normas that feel completely foreign to us who have a Western lifestyle and mindset", blond girls are bullied and dye their hair black to avoid insults, children are beaten if they bring salami for school lunch, "it is especially not okay to be gay at the school, nor atheist and especially not Jewish"... This is always referred to in msm as 'white flight,' an attempt to posit it as a form of racism by the natives against 'immigrants' when it actually reads as a form of ethnic cleansing of the ethnic majority by an ethnic minority.
(A Norwegian politician mentioned this fact of Norwegian girls needing to dye their hair to avoid harassment and the AUF --- the youth group at this camp where the massacre occurred --- called for him to be charged for making such a statement of fact).
________ lightf00t
07/29/2011 10:59 PM
albemarle
Didn't you know that it's just a Daily Mail scare story?
lightf00t
07/29/2011 10:39 PM Recommended by 1 person
Did some one say Anders listened to music while he was going postal?
I would have thought The Very Best of Rammstein would be the obvious choice.
________ bill_mason_in_the_trenches
07/29/2011 10:41 PM
It was the x factor tune. The one from Lord of the rings when they have a battle. Powrful little number it is. Composed by a Brit I believe.
________________ lightf00t
07/29/2011 10:42 PM Recommended by 1 person
I'm going to download it now. Thanks Bill.
And thanks for your services during the war. Hopefully there a lot more good British patriots like you still out there.
________________ millyrsv4
07/30/2011 01:38 AMLux Æterna (song)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
It's one of my favourites themes Lux Aeterna By Clint Mansell Lux Aeterna translates "the eternal light"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Used for film Requiem for a Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Used for Lord of the Rings trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
________________ lightf00t
07/30/2011 01:45 AM
millyrsv4
I can understand why he would choose to listen to it. Really gets the adrenaline pumping!
________________ millyrsv4
07/30/2011 01:58 AMIt is a very potent musical score lightfOOt. Tubers have put it to Terminator film clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
RupertTiger
07/29/2011 10:25 PM
What I am here hoping to know from all you intensely critical folk all rightly determined to know the motives of Breivik and the likely consequences
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_ "Anders Behring Breivik could have received military training at a secret paramilitary base in Belarus, according to a Belarusian opposition politician.
Breivik visited Belarus several times. This spring, as part of preparations for the double attack, he visited Minsk, where he participated in training at a secret paramilitary base, said Mikhail Resjetnikov, leader of the opposition Patriot Party, told the newspaper.
According to Resjetnikov, Breivik may have been involved in "sabotage-terrorist exercises" under the direction of a former officer in the security services in Belarus. He could have used a false passport to enter the country.
Belarus' KGB gave him the code name Viking. Rumour has it that he also had a girlfriend in Belarus, said Resjetnikov."
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